From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IbHLf-0002Ak-P4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:01:48 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.1/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8SEprUn022085; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:51:53 GMT Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (mailgw1.fraunhofer.de [153.96.1.18]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.1/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8SElfhv017344 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:47:41 GMT Received: from mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l8SEleha003442 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:47:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de [195.37.77.164]) by mailgw1.fraunhofer.de (8.13.5+/8.13.4) with ESMTP id l8SEldHl003355 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:47:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de (bohr [10.147.9.231]) by pluto.fokus.fraunhofer.de (8.13.7/8.13.7) with SMTP id l8SEldPE006451 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:47:39 +0200 (MEST) Received: from burner ([10.147.65.166]) by EXCHSRV.fokus.fraunhofer.de with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:47:39 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 16:43:53 +0200 From: Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) Cc: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star Message-ID: <46fd1329.gzisi04u4oKuZ5G5%Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de> User-Agent: nail 11.22 3/20/05 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Sep 2007 14:47:39.0093 (UTC) FILETIME=[841D2850:01C801DE] X-Fraunhofer-Email-Policy: accepted Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id l8SEprV8022085 X-Archives-Salt: 3b74858e-8b27-472a-afd5-3624791d5f9b X-Archives-Hash: 258e546aec5b0ba129287a332513e14a "b.n." wrote: > > The reason why Debian started this is the missing will for quality or= iented > > cooperation by a single person: "Eduard Bloch". > >=20 > > The reason why other Linux distributions followed Debian is that they= believed > > the lies spread by Eduard Bloch. > > > > I see a good cooperation with 99.99% of the Linux commuinity but ther= e are some > > Trolls who attack me. It seems that once you do a lot of work, some p= eople=20 > > become jealous and start to attack you. Doing popular things seems to= imply=20 > > that you become the target of attacks. > > I didn't follow the whole licence issue, nor I don't care that much > about that (I was just explaining what I know from the Internet). The > problem, as it seemed, is that you and Bloch staunchly refused to settl= e > down the issue somehow. Please correct me if it's wrong. Mr. Bloch started several attacks against the cdrtools project and he did= this=20 in an extremely unfair way. He spread unproven and untrue claims about cd= rtools. > But I don't buy the "people that attack me is just jealous/trolling" > argument, sorry. Assuming good faith is always better. To tell "I'm > right and B is lying" is quite trollish too. To tell "I'm right, B If I was not informed about the background I may have thought in a simila= r way. But please tell me what you would do if you have been attacked in an unfa= ir way? It is usual not to believe unproven claims, but why do so many people bel= ieve the unproven claims from Mr. Bloch? The problem with all the attacks was = that=20 the people around Mr. Bloch spread vague unproven claims as usual in=20 calumniation campaigns. When asked to prove their claims, they either sta= rted with new vague attacks or stopped answering. This would not be a problem = if=20 people would not believe unproven claims..... The real reason behind the attacks from Mr. Bloch is missing will for=20 cooperation. As he did not like this to be in relation with his name, he = started to spread the fairy tale about "license problems". Interestingly, Eben Moglen (law professor) says that what cdrtools do is = OK in=20 general. Lawyers asked by distributors of the original cdrtools say that = there is no problem in special. Some people still believe the "legal opinion" f= rom a=20 laymen like Mr. Bloch. > The problem, however, is that -being it your fault or not- that inciden= t > somehow made hard for some people to rely on your tools. :( You cannot rely on the fork because it is full of bugs that never have be= en=20 in the original software and because no bugs are fixed since nearly 6 mon= ths. You cannot rely on it because it has been initiated by people who attack = free=20 software. J=F6rg --=20 EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) J=F6rg Schilling D-13353 = Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) =20 schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogs= pot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/s= chily --=20 gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list