From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IaayM-0007ks-MW for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:46:55 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.1/8.14.0) with SMTP id l8QHb7OK020647; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:37:07 GMT Received: from aa013msr.fastwebnet.it (aa013msr.fastwebnet.it [85.18.95.73]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.1/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l8QHW1FQ014023 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:32:02 GMT Received: from [37.1.3.90] (37.1.3.90) by aa013msr.fastwebnet.it (7.3.118.6) (authenticated as cyclopia) id 46B1A27C02C4E643 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:32:02 +0200 Message-ID: <46FA9A74.50200@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:44:20 +0200 From: "b.n." User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070807) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: star References: <46F53CC6.30503@addcom.de> <200709252258.07110.grimlog@gmx.de> <46F98B2B.9000403@gmail.com> <200709261145.03106.grimlog@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <200709261145.03106.grimlog@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id l8QHb7Od020647 X-Archives-Salt: 5b59caaa-1574-4958-8563-9f9208e7b099 X-Archives-Hash: 9694f62ffb37744f5a4aacc6af2f0944 Michael Schreckenbauer ha scritto: > and I for myself drop cdrkit in every place I find it and replace it wi= th the=20 > imo working tool named cdrecord.=20 Sure, your choice. >> The problem is that of a tool that for licence etc. problems could be >> easily be dropped from a distribution. It's of a relatively unreliable >> developer (or, better stated, of unrealiable relationships between the >> dev and the community). >=20 > I have no problems at all with J=C3=B6rg, quite the opposite. It's not *you* that has to have problems with him. It's distributions. See below. >> Given this, I would think twice before=20 >> substituting tar with a Schilling tool. The cdrecord scar is still pai= nful. >=20 > Good programmers often have big egos. See Linus for an example. When wi= ll=20 > distributions drop the kernel, because Linus made bad comments about gn= ome,=20 > cups or some other random program? > The tool (star, cdrecord) works, is well supported and the programmer r= eacts=20 > in time to requests. What else do you expect? The problem with cdrecord (and J.S.) is that in a new version of cdrecord he bundled CDDL and GPL code together, thinking that it's right to distribute such an hybrid binary. Debian and a large number of other distros think instead that you cannot legally distribute a CDDL+GPL hybrid thing. So, to avoid legal concerns, they had to remove cdrecord from the distribution and fork the last GPL (or CDDL?)-only version of cdrecord. In our case: if you use a tool like that in your scripts and suddenly the Gentoo devs feel that tool has to be removed/replaced (not the case of cdrtools in Gentoo apparently, but...), you are in trouble. It's not matter of who is right/who is wrong (I personally have no serious opinion on that, because I didn't enter into the issue), but J.S. refused any attempt to settle down the problem with the Linux distribution, only putting blame on them and telling them "oh who cares, f**k you". That's why someone has harsh opinions on him and can't trust relying on his tools. OTOH, I agree he's a truly skilled developer. m. --=20 gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list