From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1IRD4y-00012A-UC for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:26:57 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l7VKJZHN003407; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:19:35 GMT Received: from dawn.lix-world.net (0x3e42aafc.adsl.cybercity.dk [62.66.170.252]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l7VKEL3k029802 for ; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 20:14:22 GMT Received: from liferaft.lix-world.net ([10.0.0.4]) by dawn.lix-world.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1IRCsk-0003sZ-0c for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:14:18 +0200 Message-ID: <46D87699.8050400@lix-world.net> Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:14:17 +0200 From: Steen Eugen Poulsen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; da; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070813 Thunderbird/2.0.0.6 ThunderBrowse/3.1 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] genkernel vs kernel manual compilation References: <20070830184238.0e18d880@pataki.bogus.net> <200708302351.44562.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> <342e1090708301509g17c2abe3k11e43b4ca2b10d8b@mail.gmail.com> <200708310417.54047.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> <46D839C6.4050304@lix-world.net> <64e8d2f20708311007k2368f317m79f487e24639a46a@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <64e8d2f20708311007k2368f317m79f487e24639a46a@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.3 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms060001090604080806040502" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 10.0.0.4 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: sep@lix-world.net X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on dawn.lix-world.net); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Archives-Salt: a12108da-0546-40a1-a5c8-21e0476d0874 X-Archives-Hash: 621e38d0940b75c2038731a17491195b This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms060001090604080806040502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ryan Sims skrev: > I think Volker's point about genkernel not making things easier is > just that it seems to be a source of confusion and complexity in this Go read his post please, he is making things up and blaming the tool for an idiot using it wrong. He somehow thinks that genkernel is autoconfiggenrartorsuperai, It isn't, it's a simple script to easily handle repeated compiles of kernels. Anyone can write scripts to do the same or claim they don't mind writing the same command over and over every time they handle a kernel compile, but to turn around and use that fact to attack and descridit genkernel so viciously done in this thread is nothing but FUD. And to the lies: Lie: because I have seen more than one non-booting totally f* up kernel created by genkernel. I won't touch it ever again. If something sucked in the past, the change is great that it sucks again in the future. Plus it doesn't really make things easier, does it? Thats a LIE, genkernel DOES not have ANY inteligence to create .config for kernels, why is he spreading FUD about it creating "f* up" kernels. In /usr/share/genkernel you will find *TEMPLATES* that can be used, but they aren't LiveCD setups to create all round kernels, it's possible they should be, but at the moment they are rough templates you can use to make a .config. Lie 2: It doesn't make things easier. It does make things easier, again he is confusing automagic .config creation with what genkernel can help with. The tool automate the task involved in compiling kernels and/or maintaining multiple configurations. And the Vol fellow really should start using genkernel as his comment clearly demonstrate he does not take appropriate caution to ensure that the kernel source is in a sane state between compiles. The kernel make file is very complicated and fragile, genkernels propper step is *NOT* idiocy, but done because it avoid bugging the kernel compile. (WARNING! Don't start doing mrproppers manually, it erase the .config file, something that --save-config option of genkernel handles so you don't loss your configuration) All the rest of his hate drivel is based on this kind of made up FUD against it and he is not alone, you see this hate FUD being spread all over about a decent tool, the author(s) deserve better treatment than this. --------------ms060001090604080806040502 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIK7DCC BXIwggRaoAMCAQICBEOGqWgwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwMTELMAkGA1UEBhMCREsxDDAKBgNV BAoTA1REQzEUMBIGA1UEAxMLVERDIE9DRVMgQ0EwHhcNMDYwNzI2MTMyNTM1WhcNMDgwNzI2 MTM1NTM1WjB7MQswCQYDVQQGEwJESzEpMCcGA1UEChMgSW5nZW4gb3JnYW5pc2F0b3Jpc2sg dGlsa255dG5pbmcxQTAaBgNVBAMTE1N0ZWVuIEV1Z2VuIFBvdWxzZW4wIwYDVQQFExxQSUQ6 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