From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1IAlMq-0002LH-69 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:37:24 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l6HBa6UB027823; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:36:06 GMT Received: from smtp.easynet.es (smtp.easynet.es [62.93.189.64]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l6HBU4ZP019828 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:30:05 GMT Received: from bt-silvano.easynet.es ([213.139.15.18] helo=[172.30.1.51]) by smtp.easynet.es with asmtp (Exim 4.33; FreeBSD) id 1IAlFk-000EFm-Lt for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:30:04 +0200 Message-ID: <469CA811.9090505@silvanoc.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 13:29:21 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Abraham_Mar=EDn_P=E9rez?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (Windows/20070604) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? References: <14178ED3A898524FB036966D696494FB138F1C@messenger.cv63.navy.mil> In-Reply-To: <14178ED3A898524FB036966D696494FB138F1C@messenger.cv63.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Easynet-bounce-key: easynet.es;tecnic5@silvanoc.com;1184671805;2afa5fee; Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id l6HBa6UV027823 X-Archives-Salt: 497fd606-c1d3-4eaa-95f5-dc2b148f10d9 X-Archives-Hash: 72c65a5fd42bf45642b99ff142ebf1bb burlingk@cv63.navy.mil escribi=F3: > =20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Abraham Mar=EDn P=E9rez [mailto:tecnic5@silvanoc.com]=20 >> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 7:43 PM >> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org >> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? >> >> >> burlingk@cv63.navy.mil escribi=F3: >> =20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: lunarcrisis@gmail.com [mailto:lunarcrisis@gmail.com] On >>>> Behalf Of Henk Boom >>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:08 AM >>>> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org >>>> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] 2 to 3?? >>>> =20 > =20 > =20 >>> The four freedoms: >>> Freedom 0: The freedom to run a program for any purpose.=20 >>> =20 >> Freedom 1: To=20 >> =20 >>> study the way a program works, and adapt it to your needs.=20 >>> =20 >> Freedom 2:=20 >> =20 >>> To redistribute copies so that you can help your neighbors.=20 >>> =20 >> Freedom 3:=20 >> =20 >>> Improve the program, and release your improvements to >>> the public, so that the whole community benefits. >>> For freedom 1 and 3 to work, the code must be open. >>> >>> Freedom 1 is just as important as the other three. Freedom one is >>> almost eliminated in GPLv3. Freedom One is the freedom that was >>> most whole heartedly expressed in the original manifesto. >>> >>> Freedom 3 is the one that GPLv3 is making most important=20 >>> =20 >> now. It does=20 >> =20 >>> so to the detriment of the other three. >>> >>> =20 >>> =20 >> I'm not very into licenses and hence my question may seem evident (or=20 >> even stupid) but still... does not Freedom 3 imply Freedom 1? I mean,=20 >> how can you improve a program without being able to study it? >> =20 > > :) > The freedoms were listed before any license was written. > They were the credo that the GNU foundation was founded upon. > They were still the credo when the name became the Free Software Founda= tion. > ^_^ > > Now the direction of the organization has apparently changed. > They are more interested in slowing down the competition than > helping the community. When they first started, the competition > was still thought of as a part of the community. :/ > > I worry. > =20 Ok, so good intentions are falling apart and being substituted by=20 mercantile minds, but still I can't see how freedom one can be=20 threatened while enhancing freedom three, it just seems contradictory to = me. --=20 --=20 gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list