[gentoo-user] Lost KDE

[gentoo-user] Lost KDE

[Kevin O'Gorman]

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I have been using KDE for a long long time.  Suddenly it's not there any
more.
I logged out thinking everything was okay, and now I have to use a fluxbox
session,
because anything else just sends me back to (what I think is) kdm.  Anyway
it's
got a blue background and a KDE logo.

Here's a synopsis (fgrep Started\ncompleted) of the emerges I did in the
last couple of days.
1183486760: Started emerge on: Jul 03, 2007 11:19:20
1183486842:  ::: completed emerge (1 of 1) sys-apps/portage-2.1.2.9 to /
1183487774: Started emerge on: Jul 03, 2007 11:36:14
1183488024:  ::: completed emerge (1 of 22) sys-libs/timezone-data-2007f to
/
1183488193:  ::: completed emerge (2 of 22) dev-libs/pth-2.0.7 to /
1183489113:  ::: completed emerge (3 of 22) sys-libs/ncurses-5.6-r1 to /
1183489200:  ::: completed emerge (4 of 22) app-editors/nano-2.0.6 to /
1183489358:  ::: completed emerge (5 of 22) sys-libs/readline-5.2_p4 to /
1183489390:  ::: completed emerge (6 of 22) dev-perl/IO-Socket-SSL-1.06 to /
1183489600:  ::: completed emerge (7 of 22) sys-devel/libtool-1.5.23b to /
1183489670:  ::: completed emerge (8 of 22) dev-perl/DBI-1.56 to /
1183489741:  ::: completed emerge (9 of 22) sys-process/psmisc-22.5 to /
1183489943:  ::: completed emerge (10 of 22) app-text/iso-codes-0.58 to /
1183492488: Started emerge on: Jul 03, 2007 12:54:48
  ... oops had to manually download the JDK binary.
1183493412: Started emerge on: Jul 03, 2007 13:10:12
1183493813:  ::: completed emerge (1 of 12) dev-java/sun-jdk-1.4.2.15 to /
1183499330:  ::: completed emerge (2 of 12) sys-libs/glibc-2.5-r4 to /
1183499716:  ::: completed emerge (3 of 12) sys-apps/shadow-4.0.18.1-r1 to /
1183499736:  ::: completed emerge (4 of 12) kde-base/kdebase-pam-7 to /
1183500030:  ::: completed emerge (5 of 12) dev-libs/elfutils-0.127 to /
1183500134:  ::: completed emerge (6 of 12) dev-libs/boehm-gc-6.8 to /
1183503914:  ::: completed emerge (7 of 12) dev-db/unixODBC-2.2.12 to /
1183504065:  ::: completed emerge (8 of 12) x11-libs/libsexy-0.1.10 to /
1183504272:  ::: completed emerge (9 of 12) x11-libs/libwnck-2.16.3 to /
1183504390:  ::: completed emerge (10 of 12) x11-misc/notification-
daemon-0.3.6-r1 to /
1183504517:  ::: completed emerge (11 of 12) x11-libs/libnotify-0.4.3 to /
1183504672:  ::: completed emerge (12 of 12) gnome-base/gnome-mount-0.6 to /

I suppose there might be something going on with kdebase-pam (4 of 12), but
I don't really know how to tell, or what to do at this point to get it back.

++ kevin
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost KDE

[Philip Webb]

070703 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> I have been using KDE for a long long time.
> Suddenly it's not there any more.
> anything else just sends me back to (what I think is) kdm.
>  1183499736:  ::: completed emerge (4 of 12) kde-base/kdebase-pam-7 to /

That looks the most likely suspect.  It's very recent (see bug 183887).
I have version 6 : try restoring that & see what happens
('emerge =kde-base/kdebase-pam-6').
You should also look in  /etc/pam.d/  for further clues.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost KDE

[Kevin O'Gorman]

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On 7/3/07, Philip Webb <purslow@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> 070703 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > I have been using KDE for a long long time.
> > Suddenly it's not there any more.
> > anything else just sends me back to (what I think is) kdm.
> >  1183499736:  ::: completed emerge (4 of 12) kde-base/kdebase-pam-7 to /
>
>
> That looks the most likely suspect.  It's very recent (see bug 183887).
> I have version 6 : try restoring that & see what happens
> ('emerge =kde-base/kdebase-pam-6').
> You should also look in  /etc/pam.d/  for further clues.


That did not help, but it reminded me of another fact I forgot to mention:
The first time I went to log in after rebooting, a dialog box told me that
my KDE 3.5 startup was old or invalid or something, and would be removed.
Indeed, kdm is NOT presenting me with an option to start a KDE session.
I'm not sure how to enable it.

What is still there:
/etc/rc.conf still contains the line "XSESSION=kde-3.5"
/etc/X11/Sessions no longer contained kde-3.5, but I made another based on
the leftover kde-3.4; I'm not sure this did anything, as the symptoms did
not change.
ps -axlww shows that I'm running kde 3.5 version of kdm

But I can't coax it into starting a KDE session.  My only choices seem to be
fluxbox and failsafe.

My setup does not seem to correspond to the guidance on setting up KDE that
I found in the Gentoo docs.  But it used to work, and I'm not sure it's safe
to try to modify it to agree -- I'm afraid I won't know what to undo of the
old way.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost KDE

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2007, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> On 7/3/07, Philip Webb <purslow@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > 070703 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > > I have been using KDE for a long long time.
> > > Suddenly it's not there any more.
> > > anything else just sends me back to (what I think is) kdm.
> > >  1183499736:  ::: completed emerge (4 of 12) kde-base/kdebase-pam-7 to
> > > /
> >
> > That looks the most likely suspect.  It's very recent (see bug 183887).
> > I have version 6 : try restoring that & see what happens
> > ('emerge =kde-base/kdebase-pam-6').
> > You should also look in  /etc/pam.d/  for further clues.
>
> That did not help, but it reminded me of another fact I forgot to mention:
> The first time I went to log in after rebooting, a dialog box told me that
> my KDE 3.5 startup was old or invalid or something, and would be removed.
> Indeed, kdm is NOT presenting me with an option to start a KDE session.
> I'm not sure how to enable it.
>
> What is still there:
> /etc/rc.conf still contains the line "XSESSION=kde-3.5"
> /etc/X11/Sessions no longer contained kde-3.5, but I made another based on
> the leftover kde-3.4; I'm not sure this did anything, as the symptoms did
> not change.
> ps -axlww shows that I'm running kde 3.5 version of kdm
>
> But I can't coax it into starting a KDE session.  My only choices seem to
> be fluxbox and failsafe.
>
> My setup does not seem to correspond to the guidance on setting up KDE that
> I found in the Gentoo docs.  But it used to work, and I'm not sure it's
> safe to try to modify it to agree -- I'm afraid I won't know what to undo
> of the old way.

please check if /etc/X11/Sessions/kde-3.5 exists.

If not: remeerge kdebase.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost KDE

[Kevin O'Gorman]

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On 7/4/07, Hemmann, Volker Armin <volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de>
wrote:
>
> On Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2007, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > On 7/3/07, Philip Webb <purslow@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > 070703 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> > > > I have been using KDE for a long long time.
> > > > Suddenly it's not there any more.
> > > > anything else just sends me back to (what I think is) kdm.
> > > >  1183499736:  ::: completed emerge (4 of 12) kde-base/kdebase-pam-7
> to
> > > > /
> > >
> > > That looks the most likely suspect.  It's very recent (see bug
> 183887).
> > > I have version 6 : try restoring that & see what happens
> > > ('emerge =kde-base/kdebase-pam-6').
> > > You should also look in  /etc/pam.d/  for further clues.
> >
> > That did not help, but it reminded me of another fact I forgot to
> mention:
> > The first time I went to log in after rebooting, a dialog box told me
> that
> > my KDE 3.5 startup was old or invalid or something, and would be
> removed.
> > Indeed, kdm is NOT presenting me with an option to start a KDE session.
> > I'm not sure how to enable it.
> >
> > What is still there:
> > /etc/rc.conf still contains the line "XSESSION=kde-3.5"
> > /etc/X11/Sessions no longer contained kde-3.5, but I made another based
> on
> > the leftover kde-3.4; I'm not sure this did anything, as the symptoms
> did
> > not change.
> > ps -axlww shows that I'm running kde 3.5 version of kdm
> >
> > But I can't coax it into starting a KDE session.  My only choices seem
> to
> > be fluxbox and failsafe.
> >
> > My setup does not seem to correspond to the guidance on setting up KDE
> that
> > I found in the Gentoo docs.  But it used to work, and I'm not sure it's
> > safe to try to modify it to agree -- I'm afraid I won't know what to
> undo
> > of the old way.
>
> please check if /etc/X11/Sessions/kde-3.5 exists.
>
> If not: remeerge kdebase.


It was missing, but I can't emerge kdebase because there are about 20
packages that are blocking it.  Maybe that's the problem.
Here's what I see when I try:

treat doclinks # emerge -a1 kdebase

These are the packages that would be merged, in order:

Calculating dependencies... done!
[ebuild  N    ] x11-libs/libXfontcache-1.0.4  USE="-debug"
[ebuild  N    ] x11-apps/xset-1.0.2  USE="-debug"
[ebuild  N    ] kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4  USE="arts cups hal java
kdeenablefinal ldap opengl pam ssl -debug -ieee1394 -kdehiddenvisibility
-lm_sensors -logitech-mouse -openexr -samba -xcomposite -xinerama
-xscreensaver -zeroconf"
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kwin-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/konqueror-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/konsole-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kicker-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4
)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kcontrol-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kdm-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kdesu-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kappfinder-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kdebase-data-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kcheckpass-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kfind-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/libkonq-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/khelpcenter-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kdebase-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/konsole-3.5.5,
kde-base/kscreensaver-3.5.5, kde-base/kappfinder-3.5.5, kde-base/kpager-
3.5.5, kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.5-r1, kde-base/kcheckpass-3.5.0,
kde-base/kfind-3.5.5, kde-base/kdepasswd-3.5.5, kde-base/kdebase-data-3.5.5,
kde-base/kdeprint-3.5.5, kde-base/khotkeys-3.5.5, kde-base/drkonqi-3.5.5,
kde-base/kdialog-3.5.5, kde-base/kdesu-3.5.5, kde-base/kcontrol-3.5.5,
kde-base/kwin-3.5.5-r2, kde-base/kdm-3.5.5-r1, kde-base/libkonq-3.5.5,
kde-base/khelpcenter-3.5.5, kde-base/konqueror-3.5.5,
kde-base/kpersonalizer-3.5.5, kde-base/kdesktop-3.5.5-r1, kde-base/kcminit-
3.5.3, kde-base/kicker-3.5.5, kde-base/kate-3.5.5-r1)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kscreensaver-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/drkonqi-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kpager-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4
)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5* (is blocking
kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kdeprint-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/khotkeys-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kcminit-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kdialog-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kate-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kdepasswd-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kpersonalizer-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)
[blocks B     ] =kde-base/kdesktop-3.5* (is blocking kde-base/kdebase-
3.5.5-r4)

!!! Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
installed
!!!        at the same time on the same system.

For more information about Blocked Packages, please refer to the following
section of the Gentoo Linux x86 Handbook (architecture is irrelevant):

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#blocked



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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost KDE

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2007, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:

so you are using split ebuilds - I don't. But since that file was removed 
accidentally, you should be able to locate the package which owned it, if you 
grep for it.

grep -R kde-3.5 /var/db/pkg/kde-base/*/CONTENTS

and then re-emerge the package.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost KDE

[Dale]

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> On Mittwoch, 4. Juli 2007, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>
> so you are using split ebuilds - I don't. But since that file was removed 
> accidentally, you should be able to locate the package which owned it, if you 
> grep for it.
>
> grep -R kde-3.5 /var/db/pkg/kde-base/*/CONTENTS
>
> and then re-emerge the package.
>
>   

This is what mine says it belongs too.

> root@smoker / # equery belongs etc/X11/Sessions/kde-3.5
> [ Searching for file(s) etc/X11/Sessions/kde-3.5 in *... ]
> kde-base/kdebase-startkde-3.5.7 (/etc/X11/Sessions/kde-3.5)
> root@smoker / #

Hope that helps.

Dale

:-)  :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost KDE

[Dale]

Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>
>
> I  don't have that package.  I'm emerging it now.... it pulls in 5
> other things I don't have currently...
>
> I looked into emerge.log, and find that I lost kdebase-startkde on
> June 11, during my first emerge --depclean, along with about 300 other
> packages.  I never missed any of them until now.
>
> YAYYY...    After emerging kdebase-startkde, I'm logging in again with
> KDE.  Thanks, Dale.
>
>
> -- 
> Kevin O'Gorman, PhD

Kewl!!  Glad to have helped.  You may want to set buildpkg in make.conf
and then next time you will have the binary that you built before to
install.  It doesn't have to compile since it was already done.  I had
to use that a while back.  Look in make.conf example for more features
too.  To install that, use the -k option.

Glad you got it going and I could help.  I sure have had a LOT of help
given to me. 

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost KDE

[Mick]

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On Wednesday 04 July 2007 18:44, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:

> It was missing, but I can't emerge kdebase because there are about 20
> packages that are blocking it.  Maybe that's the problem.

This looks odd.  You haven't mixed monolithic and meta packages by any chance?

I would probably remove the blockers and try to re-emerge the required meta 
packages, but you may want to wait for a smarter suggestion.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost KDE

[Kevin O'Gorman]

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On 7/4/07, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 04 July 2007 18:44, Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
>
> > It was missing, but I can't emerge kdebase because there are about 20
> > packages that are blocking it.  Maybe that's the problem.
>
> This looks odd.  You haven't mixed monolithic and meta packages by any
> chance?
>
> I would probably remove the blockers and try to re-emerge the required
> meta
> packages, but you may want to wait for a smarter suggestion.


I'm not sure what I did, it's so long ago.  But I did try to follow
directions to undo my monolithic setup using the Gentoo docs on the topic.
I probably messed up, but that begs the question: why did it only show up
now, a few years later.  It's not as if I haven't rebooted in the meanwhile;
I do it from time to time to update kernels.

It may be that I'm not using metas, but just emerged things I needed, and
let the dependencies do the rest.

Hmmmmm.   The dime just dropped, because I did my first depclean fairly
recently, and dalek1967 just posted that kde-3.5 is part of kdebase-startdke
on his system, and I don't have that package installed.  It's just that I
thought I rebooted after the depclean just to check things.  (I had a fresh
backup of the root partition at that point).

++ kevin

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lost KDE

[Philip Webb]

070704 Kevin O'Gorman wrote:
> I have been using KDE for a long long time.
> Suddenly it's not there any more.
> anything else just sends me back to (what I think is) kdm.
> The first time I went to log in after rebooting, a dialog box told me
> that my KDE 3.5 startup was old or invalid and would be removed.
> Indeed, kdm is NOT presenting me with an option to start a KDE session.
> My only choices seem to be fluxbox and failsafe.
> My setup does not seem to correspond to the guidance on setting up KDE
> that I found in the Gentoo docs.

You may have reasons for doing it this way, but I keep it much simpler.
I boot to a raw login prompt, login there, then enter 'startx'.
I have a file  ~/.xinitrc  ('dbus-launch' is to enable Epiphany) :

  xscreensaver &
  dbus-launch startkde

If I want (rarely) to start Fluxbox, I have another file  ~/.xinitrc-fb :

  xscreensaver &
  fluxbox

which I copy 'cp .xinitrc-fb .xinitrc' (keeping a copy of the KDE version).
I don't use Kdm at all, thus avoiding the kind of problem you've run into
& which I too ran into a few years ago.

I recommend unmerging all your existing KDE material,
then remerging the latest 3.5.7 (which I've been using since 070610)
using whatever individual packages you need.  Then keep it upto-date.

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