From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1I1ZOH-0002Jd-0v for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 03:00:54 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l5M2xNef008324; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:59:23 GMT Received: from imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net (imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net [205.152.59.70]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l5M2reBq000848 for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:53:40 GMT Received: from ibm67aec.bellsouth.net ([216.78.70.207]) by imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070622025340.LODA17368.imf22aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm67aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:53:40 -0400 Received: from [216.78.70.207] by ibm67aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070622025334.EBBI26350.ibm67aec.bellsouth.net@[216.78.70.207]> for ; Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:53:34 -0400 Message-ID: <467B39B0.50506@bellsouth.net> Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 21:53:36 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20070602 SeaMonkey/1.1.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] sound (?) but no sound References: <200706191920.23051.tcoulon@decoulon.ch> <200706200952.54298.alan@linuxholdings.co.za> <467AC7E7.5070606@bellsouth.net> <467AD1D4.7030706@bellsouth.net> <467B1D12.7090701@bellsouth.net> <121c36480706211849y23403003q815729e72c14bccb@mail.gmail.com> <467B2F83.7020306@bellsouth.net> In-Reply-To: <467B2F83.7020306@bellsouth.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020806070802050809060502" X-Archives-Salt: fd589c1a-7a9b-4e4a-ae70-36d1a298765c X-Archives-Hash: 1bdaab3281e74d2bc3de43f6727195f0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020806070802050809060502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dale wrote: > Squall Liu wrote: >> At the very first , make sure you have load your sound card driver >> .check it by >> >> squall@Think_Squall_Caro ~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards >> 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia >> HDA NVidia at 0xf5000000 irq 17 >> >> If you get no card found , reconfigure your kernel or install your >> alsa-driver >> >> if you want to install the alsa-driver by emerge , don't forget to >> add your sound card flag in your make.conf >> >> ALSA_CARDS="hda-intel" >> >> >> then you can flow this howto http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_ALSA >> >> Personal idea , I recommend you to use ALSA to instead of arts ...... >> >> I'm using it very well ............ >> >> > > That sounds like a plan. < Dale goes to work on this > > > Back later. Thanks for the link. > > Dale > > :-) :-) Well, I read through the how to, I had all that done already, I just never had removed the arts USE flag. The sounds works but it is slow to respond and sometimes it just doesn't catch up at all. This is mostly while switching desktops or something that I do pretty quick. Any ideas on that? I think some of it may be that arts is still running. I did this to find that out: > root@smoker / # ps aux | grep arts > dale 31062 0.3 0.5 10784 6176 ? S 21:39 0:00 > /usr/kde/3.5/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 1 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l > 3 -f > root 31093 0.0 0.0 1656 472 pts/0 R+ 21:40 0:00 grep > --colour=auto arts > root@smoker / # Now keep in mind that I can not get this to emerge without arts in the USE line and kdelibs having the arts USE flag too. Here is the error: > /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --tag=CXX --mode=link > i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++ -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi > -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts -Wall > -W -Wpointer-arith -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O2 -march=athlon-xp -O2 > -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute > -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common > -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT > -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -Wl,-z,now -o noatunwakeup.la -rpath > /usr/kde/3.5/lib/kde3 -L/usr/kde/3.5/lib -L/usr/qt/3/lib -module > -avoid-version -no-undefined -Wl,--no-undefined > -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined wakeup.lo kminutespinbox.lo > kpercentspinbox.lo -lkio -lnoatun -lm > grep: /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libartskde.la: No such file or directory > /bin/sed: can't read /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libartskde.la: No such file or > directory > libtool: link: `/usr/kde/3.5/lib/libartskde.la' is not a valid libtool > archive > make[3]: *** [noatunwakeup.la] Error 1 > make[3]: Leaving directory > `/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/noatun-plugins-3.5.7/work/noatun-plugins-3.5.7/noatun-plugins/alarm' > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory > `/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/noatun-plugins-3.5.7/work/noatun-plugins-3.5.7/noatun-plugins' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory > `/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/noatun-plugins-3.5.7/work/noatun-plugins-3.5.7' > make: *** [all] Error 2 > > !!! ERROR: kde-base/noatun-plugins-3.5.7 failed. > Call stack: > ebuild.sh, line 1629: Called dyn_compile > ebuild.sh, line 975: Called qa_call 'src_compile' > ebuild.sh, line 44: Called src_compile > noatun-plugins-3.5.7.ebuild, line 39: Called kde-meta_src_compile > kde-meta.eclass, line 380: Called kde_src_compile > kde.eclass, line 170: Called kde_src_compile 'all' > kde.eclass, line 340: Called kde_src_compile 'myconf' 'configure' > 'make' > kde.eclass, line 336: Called die > > !!! died running emake, kde_src_compile:make > !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call > stack if relevant. > !!! A complete build log is located at > '/var/log/portage/kde-base:noatun-plugins-3.5.7:20070622-024505.log'. > > root@smoker / # I think it uses noatun to play the sounds. I got it to work with what I currently have by telling it to use mplayer to play the sounds. I would like to go back to the old way but without arts if someone can tell me how to get around this little boo boo. That arts is starting to look pretty good right about now. o_O emerge --info just in case someone see something I missed: > root@smoker / # emerge --info > Portage 2.1.3_rc4 (default-linux/x86/2006.1/desktop, gcc-4.1.2, > glibc-2.5-r3, 2.6.20-gentoo-r8 i686) > ================================================================= > System uname: 2.6.20-gentoo-r8 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ > Gentoo Base System release 1.12.9 > Timestamp of tree: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:50:01 +0000 > distcc 2.18.3 i686-pc-linux-gnu (protocols 1 and 2) (default port > 3632) [disabled] > ccache version 2.4 [enabled] > dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7, 2.0.32 > dev-lang/python: 2.4.4-r4 > dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5 > dev-util/ccache: 2.4-r7 > sys-apps/sandbox: 1.2.17 > sys-devel/autoconf: 2.13, 2.61 > sys-devel/automake: 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r2, > 1.10 > sys-devel/binutils: 2.16.1-r3 > sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.16 > sys-devel/libtool: 1.5.22 > virtual/os-headers: 2.6.17-r2 > ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="x86" > AUTOCLEAN="yes" > CBUILD="i686-pc-linux-gnu" > CFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -momit-leaf-frame-pointer" > CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu" > CONFIG_PROTECT="/etc /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config > /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/share/X11/xkb /usr/share/config" > CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK="/etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/gconf > /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/terminfo /etc/texmf/web2c" > CXXFLAGS="-march=athlon-xp -O2 -momit-leaf-frame-pointer" > DISTDIR="/usr/portage/distfiles" > FEATURES="buildpkg ccache distlocks fixpackages metadata-transfer > parallel-fetch sandbox sfperms strict unmerge-orphans" > GENTOO_MIRRORS="<< SNIP >>" > LDFLAGS="-Wl,-z,now" > LINGUAS="en" > MAKEOPTS="-j3" > PKGDIR="/usr/portage/packages" > PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS="--timeout=600" > PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS="--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times > --compress --force --whole-file --delete --delete-after --stats > --timeout=180 --exclude=/distfiles --exclude=/local > --exclude=/packages --filter=H_**/files/digest-*" > PORTAGE_TMPDIR="/var/tmp" > PORTDIR="/usr/portage" > SYNC="rsync://rsync.namerica.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage" > USE="3dnow X acl acpi alsa amd artswrappersuid automount berkdb > bitmap-fonts browserplugin bzip2 cairo cddb cdr chroot cli cracklib > crypt cups dbus doc dri dvd dvdr dvdread eds emboss encode esd exif > fam fdftk fortran gaim gcj gdbm gif gimp gimpprint gkrellm gphoto2 gpm > gstreamer gtk hal hbci iconv ipv6 isdnlog java javascript jbig jpeg > jpeg2k justify kde ldap libg++ logrotate mad midi mikmod mmx mp3 mpeg > mudflap ncurses nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ofx ogg opengl openmp > pam pcre pdf perl png ppds pppd python qt3 qt4 quicktime readline > realmedia reflection scanner sdl seamonkey session spell spl sqlite > sse ssl syslog tcl tcpd tiff tk truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts > udev unicode usb vorbis win32codecs wma wmf wmp x86 xml xorg xprint xv > yahoo zlib" ALSA_CARDS="emu10k1" ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS="adpcm alaw asym > copy dmix dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa > lfloat linear meter mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm > softvol" ELIBC="glibc" INPUT_DEVICES="keyboard mouse" KERNEL="linux" > LCD_DEVICES="bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb > ncurses text" LINGUAS="en" USERLAND="GNU" VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia" > Unset: CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, INSTALL_MASK, LANG, LC_ALL, > PORTAGE_COMPRESS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY > > root@smoker / # Thanks. Dale :-) :-) --------------020806070802050809060502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id l5M2xNf0008324 Dale wrote:
Squall Liu wrote:
At the very first , make sure you have load your sound card driver .check it by
squall@Think_Squall_Caro ~ $ cat /proc/asound/cards
=C2=A00 [NVidia=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ]: HDA-In= tel - HDA NVidia
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 HDA NVidia at 0xf5000= 000 irq 17
If you get no card found , reconfigure your kernel or install your alsa-driver

if you want to install the alsa-driver by emerge , don't forget to add your sound card flag in your make.conf

ALSA_CARDS=3D"hda-intel"

then you can flow this howto http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_= ALSA

Personal idea , I recommend you to use ALSA to instead of arts ......

I'm using it very well ............



That sounds like a plan.=C2=A0 < Dale goes to work on this >=C2=A0 =

Back later.=C2=A0 Thanks for the link.

Dale

:-)=C2=A0 :-)

Well, I read through the how to, I had all that done already, I just never had removed the arts USE flag.=C2=A0 The sounds works but it is slo= w to respond and sometimes it just doesn't catch up at all.=C2=A0 This is mostly while switching desktops or something that I do pretty quick.=C2=A0 Any ideas on that?=C2=A0

I think some of it may be that arts is still running.=C2=A0 I did this to find that out:

root@smoker / # ps aux | grep arts
dale=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 31062=C2=A0 0.3=C2=A0 0.5=C2=A0 10784=C2=A0 = 6176 ?=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 S=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 21:3= 9=C2=A0=C2=A0 0:00 /usr/kde/3.5/bin/artsd -F 10 -S 4096 -s 1 -m artsmessage -c drkonqi -l 3 -f
root=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 31093=C2=A0 0.0=C2=A0 0.0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1656=C2= =A0=C2=A0 472 pts/0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 R+=C2=A0=C2=A0 21:40=C2=A0=C2=A0 0:= 00 grep --colour=3Dauto arts
root@smoker / #

Now keep in mind that I can not get this to emerge without arts in the USE line and kdelibs having the arts USE flag too.=C2=A0 Here is the erro= r:

/bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --tag=3DCXX --mode=3Dlink i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++=C2=A0 -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=3D500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -DNDEBUG -DNO_DEBUG -O2 -march=3Dathlon-xp -O2 -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION=C2=A0=C2=A0 -Wl,-z,now -o noatunwakeup.la -rpath /usr/kde/3.5/lib/kde3 -L/usr/kde/3.5/lib -L/usr/qt/3/lib=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 -module -avoid-version -no-undefined -Wl,--no-undefined -Wl,--allow-shlib-undefined wakeup.lo kminutespinbox.lo kpercentspinbox.lo -lkio -lnoatun -lm
grep: /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libartskde.la: No such file or directory
/bin/sed: can't read /usr/kde/3.5/lib/libartskde.la: No such file or directory
libtool: link: `/usr/kde/3.5/lib/libartskde.la' is not a valid libtool archive
make[3]: *** [noatunwakeup.la] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/noatun-plugins-3.5.7/work/noatun-plugins-3.5.7= /noatun-plugins/alarm'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/noatun-plugins-3.5.7/work/noatun-plugins-3.5.7= /noatun-plugins'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/kde-base/noatun-plugins-3.5.7/work/noatun-plugins-3.5.7= '
make: *** [all] Error 2

!!! ERROR: kde-base/noatun-plugins-3.5.7 failed.
Call stack:
=C2=A0 ebuild.sh, line 1629:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Called dyn_compile
=C2=A0 ebuild.sh, line 975:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Called qa_call 'src_compile'
=C2=A0 ebuild.sh, line 44:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Called src_compile
=C2=A0 noatun-plugins-3.5.7.ebuild, line 39:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Called kde-meta_= src_compile
=C2=A0 kde-meta.eclass, line 380:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Called kde_src_compile
=C2=A0 kde.eclass, line 170:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Called kde_src_compile 'all'
=C2=A0 kde.eclass, line 340:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Called kde_src_compile 'myconf' = 'configure' 'make'
=C2=A0 kde.eclass, line 336:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Called die

!!! died running emake, kde_src_compile:make
!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call stack if relevant.
!!! A complete build log is located at '/var/log/portage/kde-base:noatun-plugins-3.5.7:20070622-024505.log'.

root@smoker / #

I think it uses noatun to play the sounds.=C2=A0 I got it to work with wh= at I currently have by telling it to use mplayer to play the sounds.=C2=A0 I would like to go back to the old way but without arts if someone can tell me how to get around this little boo boo.

That arts is starting to look pretty good right about now.=C2=A0 o_O

emerge --info just in case someone see something I missed:

root@smoker / # emerge --info
Portage 2.1.3_rc4 (default-linux/x86/2006.1/desktop, gcc-4.1.2, glibc-2.5-r3, 2.6.20-gentoo-r8 i686)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
System uname: 2.6.20-gentoo-r8 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+
Gentoo Base System release 1.12.9
Timestamp of tree: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 01:50:01 +0000
distcc 2.18.3 i686-pc-linux-gnu (protocols 1 and 2) (default port 3632) [disabled]
ccache version 2.4 [enabled]
dev-java/java-config: 1.3.7, 2.0.32
dev-lang/python:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2.4.4-r4
dev-python/pycrypto: 2.0.1-r5
dev-util/ccache:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 2.4-r7
sys-apps/sandbox:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 1.2.17
sys-devel/autoconf:=C2=A0 2.13, 2.61
sys-devel/automake:=C2=A0 1.4_p6, 1.5, 1.6.3, 1.7.9-r1, 1.8.5-r3, 1.9.6-r= 2, 1.10
sys-devel/binutils:=C2=A0 2.16.1-r3
sys-devel/gcc-config: 1.3.16
sys-devel/libtool:=C2=A0=C2=A0 1.5.22
virtual/os-headers:=C2=A0 2.6.17-r2
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=3D"x86"
AUTOCLEAN=3D"yes"
CBUILD=3D"i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CFLAGS=3D"-march=3Dathlon-xp -O2 -momit-leaf-frame-pointer"
CHOST=3D"i686-pc-linux-gnu"
CONFIG_PROTECT=3D"/etc /usr/kde/3.5/env /usr/kde/3.5/share/config /usr/kde/3.5/shutdown /usr/share/X11/xkb /usr/share/config"
CONFIG_PROTECT_MASK=3D"/etc/env.d /etc/env.d/java/ /etc/gconf /etc/revdep-rebuild /etc/terminfo /etc/texmf/web2c"
CXXFLAGS=3D"-march=3Dathlon-xp -O2 -momit-leaf-frame-pointer"
DISTDIR=3D"/usr/portage/distfiles"
FEATURES=3D"buildpkg ccache distlocks fixpackages metadata-transfer parallel-fetch sandbox sfperms strict unmerge-orphans"
GENTOO_MIRRORS=3D"<< SNIP=C2=A0 >>"
LDFLAGS=3D"-Wl,-z,now"
LINGUAS=3D"en"
MAKEOPTS=3D"-j3"
PKGDIR=3D"/usr/portage/packages"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_EXTRA_OPTS=3D"--timeout=3D600"
PORTAGE_RSYNC_OPTS=3D"--recursive --links --safe-links --perms --times --compress --force --whole-file --delete --delete-after --stats --timeout=3D180 --exclude=3D/distfiles --exclude=3D/local --exclude=3D/pa= ckages --filter=3DH_**/files/digest-*"
PORTAGE_TMPDIR=3D"/var/tmp"
PORTDIR=3D"/usr/portage"
SYNC=3D"rsync://rsync.namerica.gentoo.org/gentoo-portage"
USE=3D"3dnow X acl acpi alsa amd artswrappersuid automount berkdb bitmap-fonts browserplugin bzip2 cairo cddb cdr chroot cli cracklib crypt cups dbus doc dri dvd dvdr dvdread eds emboss encode esd exif fam fdftk fortran gaim gcj gdbm gif gimp gimpprint gkrellm gphoto2 gpm gstreamer gtk hal hbci iconv ipv6 isdnlog java javascript jbig jpeg jpeg2k justify kde ldap libg++ logrotate mad midi mikmod mmx mp3 mpeg mudflap ncurses nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ofx ogg opengl openmp pam pcre pdf perl png ppds pppd python qt3 qt4 quicktime readline realmedia reflection scanner sdl seamonkey session spell spl sqlite sse ssl syslog tcl tcpd tiff tk truetype truetype-fonts type1-fonts udev unicode usb vorbis win32codecs wma wmf wmp x86 xml xorg xprint xv yahoo zlib" ALSA_CARDS=3D"emu10k1" ALSA_PCM_PLUGINS=3D"adpcm alaw asym copy dmi= x dshare dsnoop empty extplug file hooks iec958 ioplug ladspa lfloat linear meter mulaw multi null plug rate route share shm softvol" ELIBC=3D"glibc" INPUT_DEVICES=3D"keyboard mouse" KERNEL=3D"linux" LCD_DEVICES=3D"bayrad cfontz cfontz633 glk hd44780 lb216 lcdm001 mtxorb ncurses text" LINGUAS=3D"en" USERLAND=3D"GNU" VIDEO_CARDS=3D"nvidia"
Unset:=C2=A0 CTARGET, EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS, INSTALL_MASK, LANG, LC_ALL, PORTAGE_COMPRESS, PORTAGE_COMPRESS_FLAGS, PORTDIR_OVERLAY

root@smoker / #=C2=A0



Thanks.

Dale

:-)=C2=A0 :-)


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