[gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

Hi,

I would like to backup some stuff and can't quite find a program to
use.  I'm looking for something that can backup to CD or DVD and can
span them over more than one CD if needed.  Some of what I have will
require several CDs.  It would be nice if it would tar it or zip it but
it is not required.  I searched using equery and emerge -s but I can't
seem to find much.  Oh, GUI would be nice too. 

Is there anything out there that would do this?

Thanks.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Saturday 23 December 2006 19:45, Dale wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to backup some stuff and can't quite find a program to
> use.  I'm looking for something that can backup to CD or DVD and can
> span them over more than one CD if needed.  Some of what I have will
> require several CDs.  It would be nice if it would tar it or zip it
> but it is not required.  I searched using equery and emerge -s but I
> can't seem to find much.  Oh, GUI would be nice too.
>
> Is there anything out there that would do this?

I've never used it myself, but I read an article somewhere about it and 
seems that mondorescue can do that: 

http://www.mondorescue.org/about.shtml

However, I'm not sure about its portage status: it seems that all the 
versions are masked (for x86 at least). The relevant entry in 
package.mask says

"has security issues and will be removed from portage
due to upstream behaviour, see bug #106497"

but that comment is rather old (more than one year) and it's still in 
portage. Furthermore, the mondorescue home page shows many 
gentoo-related downloads.

Maybe there's someone else using it that hopefully can give you more 
detailed information.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[David Relson]

On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:56:12 +0100
Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:

> On Saturday 23 December 2006 19:45, Dale wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to backup some stuff and can't quite find a program to
> > use.  I'm looking for something that can backup to CD or DVD and can
> > span them over more than one CD if needed.  Some of what I have will
> > require several CDs.  It would be nice if it would tar it or zip it
> > but it is not required.  I searched using equery and emerge -s but I
> > can't seem to find much.  Oh, GUI would be nice too.
> >
> > Is there anything out there that would do this?
> 
> I've never used it myself, but I read an article somewhere about it
> and seems that mondorescue can do that: 
> 
> http://www.mondorescue.org/about.shtml
> 
> However, I'm not sure about its portage status: it seems that all the 
> versions are masked (for x86 at least). The relevant entry in 
> package.mask says
> 
> "has security issues and will be removed from portage
> due to upstream behaviour, see bug #106497"
> 
> but that comment is rather old (more than one year) and it's still in 
> portage. Furthermore, the mondorescue home page shows many 
> gentoo-related downloads.
> 
> Maybe there's someone else using it that hopefully can give you more 
> detailed information.

I've heard good things about the package, installed it yesterday, and
will soon give it a test.  In my case, I'm interested in creating a
bootable CD so that I can have a functioning system able to restore my
system from an external hard drive :->
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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Roger Mason]

Hi Dale,

Dale <dalek@exceedtech.net> writes:

> I would like to backup some stuff and can't quite find a program to
> use.  I'm looking for something that can backup to CD or DVD and can
> span them over more than one CD if needed.  Some of what I have will
> require several CDs.  It would be nice if it would tar it or zip it but
> it is not required.  I searched using equery and emerge -s but I can't
> seem to find much.  Oh, GUI would be nice too. 
>
> Is there anything out there that would do this?

I think dar (it's in portage) can do this: I've never used it myself.

Cheers,
Roger

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:52:15 -0330, Roger Mason wrote:

> > I would like to backup some stuff and can't quite find a program to
> > use.  I'm looking for something that can backup to CD or DVD and can
> > span them over more than one CD if needed.  Some of what I have will
> > require several CDs.  It would be nice if it would tar it or zip it
> > but it is not required.  I searched using equery and emerge -s but I
> > can't seem to find much.  Oh, GUI would be nice too. 

> I think dar (it's in portage) can do this: I've never used it myself.

There's also kdar, a GUI for dar that also writes the split archives to
CD/DVD.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Ed Santiago]

  >I'm looking for something that can backup to CD or DVD and can
  >span them over more than one CD if needed.  Some of what I have will
  >require several CDs.  It would be nice if it would tar it or zip it but
  >it is not required.

I've been in the same boat the last week, and have investigated
a number of options, and seem to be settling on app-backup/dar.
It compresses; does incrementals; creates split archives of any
given size; can keep an online catalog of offline data; and can
even encrypt.

Sample run:

    dar -c /backups/root-$(date -I)-full         ! what to write
        -R /                                     ! what to dump (root)
        -M                                       ! don't span filesystems
        -s 700M                                  ! Write CD-size files?
        -y                                       ! compress...
        -Z '*.gz' -Z '*.tgz' -Z '*.zip'          !  ...but don't compress these
        -P usr -P tmp -P var/cache               ! Exclude these directories
        -D                                       !   (write them as empty dirs)

This assumes that /backups is a separate filesystem.  Many of
those default options can and should be put in /etc/darrc.

The above command will write /backups/root-<date>-full.1.dar, .2.dar,
as many as it needs.  It's then up to you to write those to CD/DVD.

Note that mkisofs doesn't yet grok >2G files.  At this writing,
the cdrtools-devel version claims to... but I'm not interested
in verifying that claim :-).  So you can't really do -s 4608M
or whatever the size is for a DVD.  

Lots more info, including very thorough documentation and tutorials,
on the project home page:

    http://dar.linux.free.fr/

G'luck,
^E
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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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David Relson wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 21:56:12 +0100
> Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
>
>   
>> On Saturday 23 December 2006 19:45, Dale wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I would like to backup some stuff and can't quite find a program to
>>> use.  I'm looking for something that can backup to CD or DVD and can
>>> span them over more than one CD if needed.  Some of what I have will
>>> require several CDs.  It would be nice if it would tar it or zip it
>>> but it is not required.  I searched using equery and emerge -s but I
>>> can't seem to find much.  Oh, GUI would be nice too.
>>>
>>> Is there anything out there that would do this?
>>>       
>> I've never used it myself, but I read an article somewhere about it
>> and seems that mondorescue can do that: 
>>
>> http://www.mondorescue.org/about.shtml
>>
>> However, I'm not sure about its portage status: it seems that all the 
>> versions are masked (for x86 at least). The relevant entry in 
>> package.mask says
>>
>> "has security issues and will be removed from portage
>> due to upstream behaviour, see bug #106497"
>>
>> but that comment is rather old (more than one year) and it's still in 
>> portage. Furthermore, the mondorescue home page shows many 
>> gentoo-related downloads.
>>
>> Maybe there's someone else using it that hopefully can give you more 
>> detailed information.
>>     
>
> I've heard good things about the package, installed it yesterday, and
> will soon give it a test.  In my case, I'm interested in creating a
> bootable CD so that I can have a functioning system able to restore my
> system from an external hard drive :->
>   
Speaking of booting, it would be nice if the first CD was bootable and
could be restored that way.  I only have one CD drive at the moment so
something to boot from would be nice.

I'll check into that though.  I have heard of it too.  It just didn't
show up in my search.

Thanks

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:52:15 -0330, Roger Mason wrote:
>
>   
>>> I would like to backup some stuff and can't quite find a program to
>>> use.  I'm looking for something that can backup to CD or DVD and can
>>> span them over more than one CD if needed.  Some of what I have will
>>> require several CDs.  It would be nice if it would tar it or zip it
>>> but it is not required.  I searched using equery and emerge -s but I
>>> can't seem to find much.  Oh, GUI would be nice too. 
>>>       
>
>   
>> I think dar (it's in portage) can do this: I've never used it myself.
>>     
>
> There's also kdar, a GUI for dar that also writes the split archives to
> CD/DVD.
>   

I read about that one but I was not sure it would span across CDs. 
That's nice to know.

Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

Ed Santiago wrote:
>   >I'm looking for something that can backup to CD or DVD and can
>   >span them over more than one CD if needed.  Some of what I have will
>   >require several CDs.  It would be nice if it would tar it or zip it but
>   >it is not required.
>
> I've been in the same boat the last week, and have investigated
> a number of options, and seem to be settling on app-backup/dar.
> It compresses; does incrementals; creates split archives of any
> given size; can keep an online catalog of offline data; and can
> even encrypt.
>
> Sample run:
>
>     dar -c /backups/root-$(date -I)-full         ! what to write
>         -R /                                     ! what to dump (root)
>         -M                                       ! don't span filesystems
>         -s 700M                                  ! Write CD-size files?
>         -y                                       ! compress...
>         -Z '*.gz' -Z '*.tgz' -Z '*.zip'          !  ...but don't compress these
>         -P usr -P tmp -P var/cache               ! Exclude these directories
>         -D                                       !   (write them as empty dirs)
>
> This assumes that /backups is a separate filesystem.  Many of
> those default options can and should be put in /etc/darrc.
>
> The above command will write /backups/root-<date>-full.1.dar, .2.dar,
> as many as it needs.  It's then up to you to write those to CD/DVD.
>
> Note that mkisofs doesn't yet grok >2G files.  At this writing,
> the cdrtools-devel version claims to... but I'm not interested
> in verifying that claim :-).  So you can't really do -s 4608M
> or whatever the size is for a DVD.  
>
> Lots more info, including very thorough documentation and tutorials,
> on the project home page:
>
>     http://dar.linux.free.fr/
>
> G'luck,
> ^E
>   

Sounds like Kdar is what I need.  It uses dar as the backend and Kdar is
the GUI part.  I'll have to check on Mondorescue to though.

It would be nice if this was available on the Gentoo CD.  I would like
to use it to do system backups as well.  I usually boot from the CD when
I backup the system and use the old cp -av way.  I get a lot of "file in
use" and some file is locked errors otherwise.


Thanks for the info.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Dale wrote:
> Neil Bothwick wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 17:52:15 -0330, Roger Mason wrote:
>>
>>   
>>>> I would like to backup some stuff and can't quite find a program to
>>>> use.  I'm looking for something that can backup to CD or DVD and can
>>>> span them over more than one CD if needed.  Some of what I have will
>>>> require several CDs.  It would be nice if it would tar it or zip it
>>>> but it is not required.  I searched using equery and emerge -s but I
>>>> can't seem to find much.  Oh, GUI would be nice too. 
>>>>       
>>
>>   
>>> I think dar (it's in portage) can do this: I've never used it myself.
>>>     
>>
>> There's also kdar, a GUI for dar that also writes the split archives to
>> CD/DVD.
>>   
>
> I read about that one but I was not sure it would span across CDs. 
> That's nice to know.
>
> Thanks
>
> :-)  :-)  :-)

OK.  I downloaded Kdar so far.  It was smaller and I'm on dial-up.  Does
these programs preserve file permissions?  On some of what I plan to
back up it won't matter but if I do a system back up then it will of course.

Just curious if anyone knows about this question.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:48:38 -0600, Dale wrote:

> OK.  I downloaded Kdar so far.  It was smaller and I'm on dial-up.  Does
> these programs preserve file permissions?

Yes, because the files are stored in an archive file, not directly on the
CD. dar can split the archives into CD (or DVD) sized chunks and kdar can
(AFAIR) write them to disc. dar also creates an index of what's in which
file and writes this to the first and last backup files.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Dec 2006 23:48:38 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> OK.  I downloaded Kdar so far.  It was smaller and I'm on dial-up.  Does
>> these programs preserve file permissions?
>>     
>
> Yes, because the files are stored in an archive file, not directly on the
> CD. dar can split the archives into CD (or DVD) sized chunks and kdar can
> (AFAIR) write them to disc. dar also creates an index of what's in which
> file and writes this to the first and last backup files.
>
>   

May need a little more info on this archive part.  If I use this to back
up my whole system and then lets say the hard drive fails completely.  I
can just untar or unzip to restore the system right?  I have some data
to back up but I may use this to do a system back-up too.

While I am at it, if I do a system back up, do I need to worry about
backing up /proc and /sys?  From my understanding the kernel generates
these when it boots up.  Just curious about what I really need to back
up.  Oh, what about /dev too.  I use udev and have the tarball set to no. 

Thanks

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 04:07:50 -0600, Dale wrote:

> > Yes, because the files are stored in an archive file, not directly on
> > the CD. dar can split the archives into CD (or DVD) sized chunks and
> > kdar can (AFAIR) write them to disc. dar also creates an index of
> > what's in which file and writes this to the first and last backup
> > files.

> May need a little more info on this archive part.  If I use this to back
> up my whole system and then lets say the hard drive fails completely.  I
> can just untar or unzip to restore the system right?  I have some data
> to back up but I may use this to do a system back-up too.

dar uses its own archive format, so you'll need a live disc with the dar
executable to unpack them. I think there's a statically compiled version
of dar available that you can chuck on your backup discs.

> While I am at it, if I do a system back up, do I need to worry about
> backing up /proc and /sys?  From my understanding the kernel generates
> these when it boots up.  Just curious about what I really need to back
> up.  Oh, what about /dev too.  I use udev and have the tarball set to
> no. 

All three are virtual filesystems, so you should not attempt to back them
up. I prefer to use the --one-filesystem option when backing up with tar,
dar has a similar option AFAIR.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Sunday 24 December 2006 04:53, Dale wrote:

> Speaking of booting, it would be nice if the first CD was bootable and
> could be restored that way.  I only have one CD drive at the moment so
> something to boot from would be nice.

Yes, that can be done. Mondorescue makes the first backup CD bootable, 
using a mini kernel and distro called mindi.
You can even restore an entire system from scratch, using the "barebones 
(nuke) restore". Read the docs for more info.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> On Sunday 24 December 2006 04:53, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> Speaking of booting, it would be nice if the first CD was bootable and
>> could be restored that way.  I only have one CD drive at the moment so
>> something to boot from would be nice.
>>     
>
> Yes, that can be done. Mondorescue makes the first backup CD bootable, 
> using a mini kernel and distro called mindi.
> You can even restore an entire system from scratch, using the "barebones 
> (nuke) restore". Read the docs for more info.
>   

Keeeeewwwl.  I like that idea.  This sort of reminds me of what I used
back in the Mac Classic and Mac II days.  Old huh?

Thanks

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 04:07:50 -0600, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>>> Yes, because the files are stored in an archive file, not directly on
>>> the CD. dar can split the archives into CD (or DVD) sized chunks and
>>> kdar can (AFAIR) write them to disc. dar also creates an index of
>>> what's in which file and writes this to the first and last backup
>>> files.
>>>       
>
>   
>> May need a little more info on this archive part.  If I use this to back
>> up my whole system and then lets say the hard drive fails completely.  I
>> can just untar or unzip to restore the system right?  I have some data
>> to back up but I may use this to do a system back-up too.
>>     
>
> dar uses its own archive format, so you'll need a live disc with the dar
> executable to unpack them. I think there's a statically compiled version
> of dar available that you can chuck on your backup discs.
>   

Hmmm, does the Gentoo CD have this?
>   
>> While I am at it, if I do a system back up, do I need to worry about
>> backing up /proc and /sys?  From my understanding the kernel generates
>> these when it boots up.  Just curious about what I really need to back
>> up.  Oh, what about /dev too.  I use udev and have the tarball set to
>> no. 
>>     
>
> All three are virtual filesystems, so you should not attempt to back them
> up. I prefer to use the --one-filesystem option when backing up with tar,
> dar has a similar option AFAIR.
>
>
>   

OK, so skip /proc, /sys and /dev then?  I need to do some reading I
guess, if it ever gets it downloaded that is.  This slow dial-up sucks.  :-(

Thanks for the info.  One of these days I'll actually know something.  LOL

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Uwe Thiem]

On 24 December 2006 15:12, Dale wrote:

> OK, so skip /proc, /sys and /dev then?  I need to do some reading I
> guess, if it ever gets it downloaded that is.  

Yes, you can skip them. /tmp as well, but you have to create the empty 
directory after restoration. Same for /dev. I am nott too sure about /sys 
and /proc - at least, it doesn't hurt to create them.

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Mick]

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On Sunday 24 December 2006 13:12, Dale wrote:

>
> OK, so skip /proc, /sys and /dev then?  I need to do some reading I
> guess, if it ever gets it downloaded that is.  This slow dial-up sucks. 
> :-(

For complete partition/disk/OS backups I have used partimage.  No doubt it 
comes with many recovery LiveCDs, but I have only used it with Knoppix.  As 
the package name implies it creates image files.  You'll need a swap 
partition activated though, otherwise you may run out of memory when you are 
burning the DVD/CD with your images.  Partimage has compression options to 
reduce the size of the backed up image file and you can define the size at 
which you want to image files split so as to fit on a number of CDs or DVDs.

If you want to access particular files/directories within the image file I 
guess you will need to mount it using loopback, but I haven't tried that yet.

HTH.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> On Sunday 24 December 2006 04:53, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> Speaking of booting, it would be nice if the first CD was bootable and
>> could be restored that way.  I only have one CD drive at the moment so
>> something to boot from would be nice.
>>     
>
> Yes, that can be done. Mondorescue makes the first backup CD bootable, 
> using a mini kernel and distro called mindi.
> You can even restore an entire system from scratch, using the "barebones 
> (nuke) restore". Read the docs for more info.
>   

Well, this sucks.

> >>> Downloading 'http://adelie.polymtl.ca/distfiles/mindi-1.10.tgz'
> --07:14:12--  http://adelie.polymtl.ca/distfiles/mindi-1.10.tgz
>            => `/usr/portage/distfiles/mindi-1.10.tgz'
> Resolving adelie.polymtl.ca... 132.207.4.160
> Connecting to adelie.polymtl.ca|132.207.4.160|:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content
> Length: 2,130,907 (2.0M), 1,026,811 (1003K) remaining [application/x-gzip]
>
> 100%[+++++++++++++++++++++++++========================>]
> 2,130,907      2.71K/s    ETA 00:00
>
> 07:20:29 (2.67 KB/s) - `/usr/portage/distfiles/mindi-1.10.tgz' saved
> [2130907/2130907]
>
>  * checking ebuild checksums ;-)
> ...                                                   [ ok ]
>  * checking auxfile checksums ;-)
> ...                                                  [ ok ]
>  * checking miscfile checksums ;-)
> ...                                                 [ ok ]
>  * checking mindi-1.10.tgz ;-)
> ...                                                     [ !! ]
>
> !!! A file listed in the Manifest could not be found:
> '/usr/portage/distfiles/mindi-1.10.tgz'
> root@smoker / #

Seems there may be a reason it is masked.  I restarted it to see if it
was a connection boo boo but it ain't looking good right now.  May have
to try a older version maybe.

Notice that super fast data transfer speed of 2.71K/s.  Swift huh? 
Stupid dial-up.

What cha think about this?

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> On Sunday 24 December 2006 04:53, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> Speaking of booting, it would be nice if the first CD was bootable and
>> could be restored that way.  I only have one CD drive at the moment so
>> something to boot from would be nice.
>>     
>
> Yes, that can be done. Mondorescue makes the first backup CD bootable, 
> using a mini kernel and distro called mindi.
> You can even restore an entire system from scratch, using the "barebones 
> (nuke) restore". Read the docs for more info.
>   

Well, this sucks.

> >>> Downloading 'http://adelie.polymtl.ca/distfiles/mindi-1.10.tgz'
> --07:14:12--  http://adelie.polymtl.ca/distfiles/mindi-1.10.tgz
>            => `/usr/portage/distfiles/mindi-1.10.tgz'
> Resolving adelie.polymtl.ca... 132.207.4.160
> Connecting to adelie.polymtl.ca|132.207.4.160|:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 206 Partial Content
> Length: 2,130,907 (2.0M), 1,026,811 (1003K) remaining [application/x-gzip]
>
> 100%[+++++++++++++++++++++++++========================>]
> 2,130,907      2.71K/s    ETA 00:00
>
> 07:20:29 (2.67 KB/s) - `/usr/portage/distfiles/mindi-1.10.tgz' saved
> [2130907/2130907]
>
>  * checking ebuild checksums ;-)
> ...                                                   [ ok ]
>  * checking auxfile checksums ;-)
> ...                                                  [ ok ]
>  * checking miscfile checksums ;-)
> ...                                                 [ ok ]
>  * checking mindi-1.10.tgz ;-)
> ...                                                     [ !! ]
>
> !!! A file listed in the Manifest could not be found:
> '/usr/portage/distfiles/mindi-1.10.tgz'
> root@smoker / #

Seems there may be a reason it is masked.  I restarted it to see if it
was a connection boo boo but it ain't looking good right now.  May have
to try a older version maybe.

Notice that super fast data transfer speed of 2.71K/s.  Swift huh? 
Stupid dial-up.

What cha think about this?  Well, the email didn't go so I can say that
it failed again so I unmasked mindi-1-11 and will see if it works
better.  Will report later, unless someone has a better idea.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 24 December 2006 13:12, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> OK, so skip /proc, /sys and /dev then?  I need to do some reading I
>> guess, if it ever gets it downloaded that is.  This slow dial-up sucks. 
>> :-(
>>     
>
> For complete partition/disk/OS backups I have used partimage.  No doubt it 
> comes with many recovery LiveCDs, but I have only used it with Knoppix.  As 
> the package name implies it creates image files.  You'll need a swap 
> partition activated though, otherwise you may run out of memory when you are 
> burning the DVD/CD with your images.  Partimage has compression options to 
> reduce the size of the backed up image file and you can define the size at 
> which you want to image files split so as to fit on a number of CDs or DVDs.
>
> If you want to access particular files/directories within the image file I 
> guess you will need to mount it using loopback, but I haven't tried that yet.
>
> HTH.
>   

Another one to consider.  Will look into it too.

Thanks

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Dale wrote:
> Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
>> On Sunday 24 December 2006 04:53, Dale wrote:
>>
>>   
>>> Speaking of booting, it would be nice if the first CD was bootable and
>>> could be restored that way.  I only have one CD drive at the moment so
>>> something to boot from would be nice.
>>>     
>>
>> Yes, that can be done. Mondorescue makes the first backup CD bootable, 
>> using a mini kernel and distro called mindi.
>> You can even restore an entire system from scratch, using the "barebones 
>> (nuke) restore". Read the docs for more info.
>>   
>
> < snip >
>

OK.  Now I get this for mindi-1.11.  One version has something missing
and the other fails to compile.  Wonder why this is masked?


> make[3]: Entering directory
> `/var/tmp/portage/mindi-1.11/work/mindi-1.11/mondo/common'
> if /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --mode=compile i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
> -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../..   -D__IA32__  -march=athlon-xp -O2
> -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -fno-ident -pipe -MT libmondo-archive.lo -MD
> -MP -MF ".deps/libmondo-archive.Tpo" \
>           -c -o libmondo-archive.lo `test -f 'libmondo-archive.c' ||
> echo './'`libmondo-archive.c; \
>         then mv -f ".deps/libmondo-archive.Tpo"
> ".deps/libmondo-archive.Plo"; \
>         else rm -f ".deps/libmondo-archive.Tpo"; exit 1; \
>         fi
> if /bin/sh ../../libtool --silent --mode=compile i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc
> -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../..   -D__IA32__  -march=athlon-xp -O2
> -momit-leaf-frame-pointer -fno-ident -pipe -MT libmondo-devices.lo -MD
> -MP -MF ".deps/libmondo-devices.Tpo" \
>           -c -o libmondo-devices.lo `test -f 'libmondo-devices.c' ||
> echo './'`libmondo-devices.c; \
>         then mv -f ".deps/libmondo-devices.Tpo"
> ".deps/libmondo-devices.Plo"; \
>         else rm -f ".deps/libmondo-devices.Tpo"; exit 1; \
>         fi
> In file included from libmondo-devices.c:223:
> my-stuff.h:201:18: error: newt.h: No such file or directory
> make[3]: *** [libmondo-devices.lo] Error 1
> make[3]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
> In file included from libmondo-archive.c:175:
> ../common/my-stuff.h:201:18: error: newt.h: No such file or directory
> make[3]: *** [libmondo-archive.lo] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory
> `/var/tmp/portage/mindi-1.11/work/mindi-1.11/mondo/common'
> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/var/tmp/portage/mindi-1.11/work/mindi-1.11/mondo'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/var/tmp/portage/mindi-1.11/work/mindi-1.11'
> make: *** [all] Error 2
>
> !!! ERROR: sys-apps/mindi-1.11 failed.
> Call stack:
>   ebuild.sh, line 1546:   Called dyn_compile
>   ebuild.sh, line 937:   Called src_compile
>   ebuild.sh, line 608:   Called die
>
> !!! emake failed
> !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call
> stack if relevant.
>
> root@smoker / # 

Anybody know what newt.h is?  Looks like it needs it for something.

Thanks

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> On Sunday 24 December 2006 15:33, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> OK.  Now I get this for mindi-1.11.  One version has something missing
>> and the other fails to compile.  Wonder why this is masked?
>> [cut]
>>     
>
> Are you trying to install mindi by itself or as part of an "emerge 
> mondo-rescue"? Seems like some dependency is missing...
>
>   
>> Anybody know what newt.h is?  Looks like it needs it for something.
>>     
>
> * dev-libs/newt
>      Available versions:  0.50.35-r2 ~0.50.35-r3 ~0.50.35-r4 0.51.6 
> 0.51.6-r1 ~0.51.6-r2 ~0.52.2
>      Homepage:            http://www.redhat.com/
>      Description:         Redhat's Newt windowing toolkit development 
> files
>
> mondo-rescue does depend upon newt, but mindi doesn't (I'd say that's 
> probably a bug, but otoh I think mindi alone is rather useless).
>   

Here's the funny part.  I figured out that that file is in the package
newt, who would have thunk that.  LOL  Anyway, I emerge -1 it then when
I tell it to start emerging mondorescue again, it skips the package
mindi completely.

Since I have no clue what this may break, I went back and emerge -1
mindi just in case.  It worked this time, since newt was there.  May be
a bug too.  Now back to mondorescue.

Anyway, here I go again.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Sunday 24 December 2006 15:33, Dale wrote:

> OK.  Now I get this for mindi-1.11.  One version has something missing
> and the other fails to compile.  Wonder why this is masked?
>[cut]

Are you trying to install mindi by itself or as part of an "emerge 
mondo-rescue"? Seems like some dependency is missing...

> Anybody know what newt.h is?  Looks like it needs it for something.

* dev-libs/newt
     Available versions:  0.50.35-r2 ~0.50.35-r3 ~0.50.35-r4 0.51.6 
0.51.6-r1 ~0.51.6-r2 ~0.52.2
     Homepage:            http://www.redhat.com/
     Description:         Redhat's Newt windowing toolkit development 
files

mondo-rescue does depend upon newt, but mindi doesn't (I'd say that's 
probably a bug, but otoh I think mindi alone is rather useless).
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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[David Relson]

On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:02:24 -0600
Dale wrote:

> Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> > On Sunday 24 December 2006 15:33, Dale wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> OK.  Now I get this for mindi-1.11.  One version has something
> >> missing and the other fails to compile.  Wonder why this is masked?
> >> [cut]
> >>     
> >
> > Are you trying to install mindi by itself or as part of an "emerge 
> > mondo-rescue"? Seems like some dependency is missing...
> >
> >   
> >> Anybody know what newt.h is?  Looks like it needs it for something.
> >>     
> >
> > * dev-libs/newt
> >      Available versions:  0.50.35-r2 ~0.50.35-r3 ~0.50.35-r4 0.51.6 
> > 0.51.6-r1 ~0.51.6-r2 ~0.52.2
> >      Homepage:            http://www.redhat.com/
> >      Description:         Redhat's Newt windowing toolkit
> > development files
> >
> > mondo-rescue does depend upon newt, but mindi doesn't (I'd say
> > that's probably a bug, but otoh I think mindi alone is rather
> > useless). 
> 
> Here's the funny part.  I figured out that that file is in the package
> newt, who would have thunk that.  LOL  Anyway, I emerge -1 it then
> when I tell it to start emerging mondorescue again, it skips the
> package mindi completely.
> 
> Since I have no clue what this may break, I went back and emerge -1
> mindi just in case.  It worked this time, since newt was there.  May
> be a bug too.  Now back to mondorescue.

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> On Sunday 24 December 2006 17:04, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>>>>>> Unpacking source...
>>>>>> Unpacking mondo-2.10.tgz to
>>>>>> /var/tmp/portage/mondo-rescue-2.10/work
>>>>>>             
>>> gzip: stdin: decompression OK, trailing garbage ignored
>>> tar: Child returned status 2
>>> tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
>>>
>>> !!! ERROR: app-backup/mondo-rescue-2.10 failed.
>>> Call stack:
>>>   ebuild.sh, line 1546:   Called dyn_unpack
>>>   ebuild.sh, line 708:   Called src_unpack
>>>   mondo-rescue-2.10.ebuild, line 32:   Called unpack
>>> 'mondo-2.10.tgz' ebuild.sh, line 377:   Called die
>>>
>>> !!! failure unpacking mondo-2.10.tgz
>>> !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call
>>> stack if relevant.
>>>
>>> root@smoker / #
>>>       
>> Now what do we do with that?  Also note, it failed the md5 thing
>> before.  It did that when I used the --digest option.  Something is
>> broke here.
>>     
>
> Yes, that fails on my box also. Seems the md5 digests are not correct. 
> You can try to resync and see if that solves the problem, or file a bug 
> after that.
> As a last resort, however, you can try using the mondo-2.2.0 ebuild, 
> available on the project site (of course, put it into an overlay and 
> unmask/keyword things accordingly).
>
> There seems to be a LiveCD available for mondorescue, with which you can 
> hopefully try it and do backups/restores without going through the 
> hassle of installing masked/unstable/buggy packages, as the mondo-rescue 
> ebuild seems to be ATM. You can find it at 
> ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/iso/mondorescue.iso (it's there, despite the 
> site saying that it's currently unavailable).
>   

Well, I went back to mondo-rescue-2.04 and it worked for me, finally. 
uh, this thing is command line though.  This may take me a bit to sort
out.  O_O  It sort of got busy when I typed in mondoarchive and was
waiting on a GUI.  LOL  Learning the hard way as usual.

That link didn't work but I'm diggin around on the site.  It's there
somewhere or you wouldn't have found it.  LOL

Thanks

:D :D :D :D

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> On Sunday 24 December 2006 18:00, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
>
>   
>> ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/iso/mondorescue.iso (it's there, despite the
>> site saying that it's currently unavailable).
>>     
>
> Ok, it's definitely NOT there :)  I've been fooled by the fact that after 
> clicking on it the browser was asking me to save the file, but if you 
> actually do, you get "could not read from source". Sorry for the wrong 
> info.
>   
Well, it tells me that it could not change directories.  The previous
page says it is not available for bandwidth issues.  I guess it got to
expensive to host.

Info was right, just wasn't able to access for one reason or other.

Thanks

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Sunday 24 December 2006 17:04, Dale wrote:

> > >>> Unpacking source...
> > >>> Unpacking mondo-2.10.tgz to
> > >>> /var/tmp/portage/mondo-rescue-2.10/work
> >
> > gzip: stdin: decompression OK, trailing garbage ignored
> > tar: Child returned status 2
> > tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
> >
> > !!! ERROR: app-backup/mondo-rescue-2.10 failed.
> > Call stack:
> >   ebuild.sh, line 1546:   Called dyn_unpack
> >   ebuild.sh, line 708:   Called src_unpack
> >   mondo-rescue-2.10.ebuild, line 32:   Called unpack
> > 'mondo-2.10.tgz' ebuild.sh, line 377:   Called die
> >
> > !!! failure unpacking mondo-2.10.tgz
> > !!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, and the call
> > stack if relevant.
> >
> > root@smoker / #
>
> Now what do we do with that?  Also note, it failed the md5 thing
> before.  It did that when I used the --digest option.  Something is
> broke here.

Yes, that fails on my box also. Seems the md5 digests are not correct. 
You can try to resync and see if that solves the problem, or file a bug 
after that.
As a last resort, however, you can try using the mondo-2.2.0 ebuild, 
available on the project site (of course, put it into an overlay and 
unmask/keyword things accordingly).

There seems to be a LiveCD available for mondorescue, with which you can 
hopefully try it and do backups/restores without going through the 
hassle of installing masked/unstable/buggy packages, as the mondo-rescue 
ebuild seems to be ATM. You can find it at 
ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/iso/mondorescue.iso (it's there, despite the 
site saying that it's currently unavailable).
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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Sunday 24 December 2006 18:00, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:

> ftp://ftp.mondorescue.org/iso/mondorescue.iso (it's there, despite the
> site saying that it's currently unavailable).

Ok, it's definitely NOT there :)  I've been fooled by the fact that after 
clicking on it the browser was asking me to save the file, but if you 
actually do, you get "could not read from source". Sorry for the wrong 
info.
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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:34:40 +0200, Uwe Thiem wrote:

> > OK, so skip /proc, /sys and /dev then?  I need to do some reading I
> > guess, if it ever gets it downloaded that is.    
> 
> Yes, you can skip them. /tmp as well, but you have to create the empty 
> directory after restoration. Same for /dev. I am nott too sure
> about /sys and /proc - at least, it doesn't hurt to create them.

That's why I suggested the --one-filesystem option with tar (the dar
equivalent is --no-mount-points --empty-dir). This archives only the
specified filesystem, which includes the mount points, but not anything
mounted on them. So /dev, /proc, /sys and anything else, including
anything mounted under /mnt or /media, are automatically skipped.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

OK.  I have a update on this back-up thing.  It don't work.  I read that
if you start it with no options it will figure most of it out then ask
you for the rest.  So I tried that way first.  I get this though:

> root@smoker / # mondoarchive
> Initializing...
> See /var/log/mondo-archive.log for details of backup run.
> Checking sanity of your Linux distribution
> Please install 'mindi'. I cannot find it on your system.
> There may be hyperlink at http://www.mondorescue.com which
> will take you to the relevant (missing) package.
> Could not ascertain mindi's version number.
> You have not installed Mondo and/or Mindi properly.
> Please uninstall and reinstall them both.
> Fatal error... Please reinstall Mondo and Mindi.
> ---FATALERROR--- Please reinstall Mondo and Mindi.
> Please try the snapshot (the version with 'cvs' and the date in its
> filename)to see if that fixes the problem. Please don't bother the
> mailing list withyour problem UNTIL you've tried the snapshot. The
> snapshot contains bugfixeswhich might help you. Go to
> http://www.mondorescue.org/download/download.htmlFor more information.
> Log file: /var/log/mondo-archive.log
> FYI, I have gzipped the log and saved it to /tmp/MA.log.gz
> Mondo has aborted.
> Execution run ended; result=254
> Type 'less /var/log/mondo-archive.log' to see the output log
> root@smoker / #     

So, it seems that it doesn't like the versions that I have installed or
something else is broke one.  This is what I have installed:

> root@smoker / # equery list mondo
> [ Searching for package 'mondo' in all categories among: ]
>  * installed packages
> [I--] [ ~] app-backup/mondo-rescue-2.04 (0)
> root@smoker / # equery list mindi
> [ Searching for package 'mindi' in all categories among: ]
>  * installed packages
> [I--] [ ~] sys-apps/mindi-1.11 (0)
> [I--] [ ~] sys-apps/mindi-kernel-1.0-r1 (0)
> root@smoker / #

Some may recall that I had "issues" with this when I was emerging it.
It seemed that each time I stopped and picked up another version of
something it was skipping some things it said it needed before.  Maybe
this is normal, maybe this is what is wrong.

Anybody have any clues how to get past this?  I like this one because I
can make a CD that boots and restore from that.  Kdar does work though.

Thanks

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)

P.S. This is a resend.  I didn't get a copy back and I always have in
the past.  Apologies if this is a dup.



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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> On Sunday 24 December 2006 04:53, Dale wrote:
>
>   
>> Speaking of booting, it would be nice if the first CD was bootable and
>> could be restored that way.  I only have one CD drive at the moment so
>> something to boot from would be nice.
>>     
>
> Yes, that can be done. Mondorescue makes the first backup CD bootable, 
> using a mini kernel and distro called mindi.
> You can even restore an entire system from scratch, using the "barebones 
> (nuke) restore". Read the docs for more info.
>   

Hi again,

It has been a while and I still can not get mondoarchive to work.  I get
this:

> root@smoker / # mondoarchive
> Initializing...
> See /var/log/mondo-archive.log for details of backup run.
> root is mounted at /dev/hda
> Checking sanity of your Linux distribution
> Please install 'mindi'. I cannot find it on your system.
> There may be hyperlink at http://www.mondorescue.com which
> will take you to the relevant (missing) package.
> Could not ascertain mindi's version number.
> You have not installed Mondo and/or Mindi properly.
> Please uninstall and reinstall them both.
> Fatal error... Please reinstall Mondo and Mindi.
> ---FATALERROR--- Please reinstall Mondo and Mindi.
> If you require technical support, please contact the mailing list.
> See http://www.mondorescue.org for details.
> Log file: /var/log/mondo-archive.log
> FYI, I have gzipped the log and saved it to /tmp/MA.log.gz
> The list's members can help you, if you attach that file to your e-mail.
> Mondo has aborted.
> Execution run ended; result=254
> Type 'less /var/log/mondo-archive.log' to see the output log
> root@smoker / #

If I try to use options I get the same thing.  Does anybody have this
working?  If so, can you tell me what version of mondo-rescue and mindi
you have installed?

I want to use this but I got to get it working first.

Thanks

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Wednesday 18 April 2007 11:15, Dale wrote:

> It has been a while and I still can not get mondoarchive to work.  I
> get
>
> this:
> > root@smoker / # mondoarchive
> > Initializing...
> > See /var/log/mondo-archive.log for details of backup run.
> > root is mounted at /dev/hda
> > Checking sanity of your Linux distribution
> > Please install 'mindi'. I cannot find it on your system.
> > There may be hyperlink at http://www.mondorescue.com which
> > will take you to the relevant (missing) package.
> > Could not ascertain mindi's version number.
> > You have not installed Mondo and/or Mindi properly.
> > Please uninstall and reinstall them both.
> > Fatal error... Please reinstall Mondo and Mindi.
> > ---FATALERROR--- Please reinstall Mondo and Mindi.
> > If you require technical support, please contact the mailing list.
> > See http://www.mondorescue.org for details.
> > Log file: /var/log/mondo-archive.log
> > FYI, I have gzipped the log and saved it to /tmp/MA.log.gz
> > The list's members can help you, if you attach that file to your
> > e-mail. Mondo has aborted.
> > Execution run ended; result=254
> > Type 'less /var/log/mondo-archive.log' to see the output log
> > root@smoker / #

That's because it cannot find mindi:

bach ~ # mindi
-bash: mindi: command not found

/usr/sbin/mindi is a broken symlink to /usr/share/mindi/mindi, which does 
not exist. There is a bug for this on b.g.o. (along with others for 
missing dependencies in the ebuild). Furthermore, it's not clear at all 
what the current portage status of mondo-rescue is.
The liquidx overlay has newer mondo ebuilds, but doing a quick check they 
seem to be broken too.

It's perhaps easier to use some other tool with better "official" portage 
support, like dar/kdar (yes, I'm aware that I am the one that suggested 
mondorescue in the first place, but at that time I was using it under 
LFS, not gentoo. Nevertheless, I thought setting it up under gentoo 
should have been easy - hence my advice -, but it seems that I was 
wrong. My apologies).
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Re: [gentoo-user] [Somewhat OT] Backup software for CDs.

[Dale]

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Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
>
>
> That's because it cannot find mindi:
>
> bach ~ # mindi
> -bash: mindi: command not found
>
> /usr/sbin/mindi is a broken symlink to /usr/share/mindi/mindi, which does 
> not exist. There is a bug for this on b.g.o. (along with others for 
> missing dependencies in the ebuild). Furthermore, it's not clear at all 
> what the current portage status of mondo-rescue is.
> The liquidx overlay has newer mondo ebuilds, but doing a quick check they 
> seem to be broken too.
>
> It's perhaps easier to use some other tool with better "official" portage 
> support, like dar/kdar (yes, I'm aware that I am the one that suggested 
> mondorescue in the first place, but at that time I was using it under 
> LFS, not gentoo. Nevertheless, I thought setting it up under gentoo 
> should have been easy - hence my advice -, but it seems that I was 
> wrong. My apologies).
>   

Well, looks like by now it would have been fixed.  :/  I'm not sure I
can use Kdar to do a system backup.  I use it to backup my Documents and
such though.  Problem is, it uses the .dar thing instead of a regular
tarball.  I also don't think I can uncompress it from the Gentoo CD either.

Kdar is nice but it seems to me that this mondo thing would be better to
rescue from.

Oh well, Say a prayer that nothing breaks.  ;-)  Open to ideas though.  :-)

Dale

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