From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HJQ57-0001pC-9f for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:10:37 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with SMTP id l1K89UBP014874; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:09:30 GMT Received: from mirus.exceedtech.net (ns0.exceedtech.net [70.151.169.5]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id l1K85XYR010618 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:05:33 GMT Received: from [65.144.10.200] (0-1pool10-200.nas2.greenwood1.ms.us.da.qwest.net [65.144.10.200]) by mirus.exceedtech.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l1K85Rv0019524 for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:05:28 -0600 Message-ID: <45DAABC6.7070208@exceedtech.net> Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 02:05:26 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.9) Gecko/20070105 SeaMonkey/1.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Install Advice References: <45DA007E.6070407@mho.com> <200702200933.04704.alan@linuxholdings.co.za> In-Reply-To: <200702200933.04704.alan@linuxholdings.co.za> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030700090505030707020404" X-Archives-Salt: e129cd58-1da5-4289-acde-fb17540d0b81 X-Archives-Hash: 49873a33b7a6ff4a66b079ab67cd8528 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030700090505030707020404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan McKinnon wrote: > > > Sorry, but that's never a good reason for using Gentoo. If a binary > distro compiles every option under the sun then the software will still > work, but the binaries might be a bit big. Compiling on your machine > gives no discernable performance benefit for the average user. > > Gentoo's strength is in being able to enable or disable individual > features in each package. So, if you (say) can't stand Red Hat becuase > it defaults to a Gnome DE, use Gentoo by all mans. If you can't stand > Red Hat becuase you think it's slow, then you have faulty hardware and > Gentoo is going to perform about the same... > I have to disagree with this. I used to use Mandrake and Gentoo is a *LOT* faster than Mandrake. I turned off a lot of unused services and Mandrake was still pretty slow. This is especially true if you customize all the flags you can. I suspect he will see a speed difference. Plus he will know what is being installed and why. Gentoo IMHO beats Mandrake and others by a long shot. > >> What would be the 'best' medium for me, minimal or live CD? I have a >> high speed connection. >> > > Doesn't matter, it comes out to the same anyway. The minimal CD has only > the absolute minimum sources on it, so you have to download the rest. > The LiveCD gets you up and running in an hour or two, but the packages > on it are bound to have updates (because OSS projects release early and > often), so with your first world update you will download new versions. > > Use the Live CD if you want to get a working machine quickly. If > watching gcc output scroll off the screen turns you on (it does for > most of us around here....) then use the minimal by all means. > This is true. Gentoo updates pretty fast. A lot quicker than most. That can be good but it can be bad too. Just try to sync up as soon as you can. No need installing something just to update it again in a little bit. > >> Two avoid a typical dual boot install. I would like gentoo to boot >> from my second hard drive. During boot up, I can now select which HD >> I want to boot from. Will the install process let me assign a boot >> disk? >> > > It's been a while since I did a virgin install, so things might have > changed recently. Back when I did my last install, the process was > completely different to a binary distro, and one of the steps was to > partition the disk manually, install grub and edit grub.conf exactly > the way you want it. So your answer is yes, you can assign boot disks, > but it isn't a check box you click. But, the latest installers may well > have changed the entire process > > alan > > If he uses the GUI thing, which has never worked for me, it is a lot different. It seems to be easier to configure, if I could just get it to finish for once. It starts, then hangs up and just sits there doing nothing. Dale :-) :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/dalek1967 --------------030700090505030707020404 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alan McKinnon wrote: 


Sorry, but that's never a good reason for using Gentoo. If a binary 
distro compiles every option under the sun then the software will still 
work, but the binaries might be a bit big. Compiling on your machine 
gives no discernable performance benefit for the average user.

Gentoo's strength is in being able to enable or disable individual 
features in each package. So, if you (say) can't stand Red Hat becuase 
it defaults to a Gnome DE, use Gentoo by all mans. If you can't stand 
Red Hat becuase you think it's slow, then you have faulty hardware and 
Gentoo is going to perform about the same...


I have to disagree with this.  I used to use Mandrake and Gentoo is a *LOT* faster than Mandrake.  I turned off a lot of unused services and Mandrake was still pretty slow.  This is especially true if you customize all the flags you can.  I suspect he will see a speed difference.  Plus he will know what is being installed and why.   Gentoo IMHO beats Mandrake and others by a long shot.  
  
What would be the 'best' medium for me, minimal or live CD?  I have a
high speed connection.
    

Doesn't matter, it comes out to the same anyway. The minimal CD has only 
the absolute minimum sources on it, so you have to download the rest. 
The LiveCD gets you up and running in an hour or two, but the packages 
on it are bound to have updates (because OSS projects release early and 
often), so with your first world update you will download new versions.

Use the Live CD if you want to get a working machine quickly. If 
watching gcc output scroll off the screen turns you on (it does for 
most of us around here....) then use the minimal by all means.

This is true.  Gentoo updates pretty fast.  A lot quicker than most.  That can be good but it can be bad too.  Just try to sync up as soon as you can.  No need installing something just to update it again in a little bit.
  
Two avoid a typical dual boot install.  I would like gentoo to boot
from my second hard drive.  During boot up, I can now select which HD
I want to boot from. Will the install process let me assign a boot
disk?
    

It's been a while since I did a virgin install, so things might have 
changed recently. Back when I did my last install, the process was 
completely different to a binary distro, and one of the steps was to 
partition the disk manually, install grub and edit grub.conf exactly 
the way you want it. So your answer is yes, you can assign boot disks, 
but it isn't a check box you click. But, the latest installers may well 
have changed the entire process

alan

If he uses the GUI thing, which has never worked for me, it is a lot different.  It seems to be easier to configure, if I could just get it to finish for once.  It starts, then hangs up and just sits there doing nothing.

Dale

:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)

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