From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1H8CVF-0001YC-TB for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:27:14 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id l0K9OoZt024537; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:24:50 GMT Received: from mirus.exceedtech.net (ns0.exceedtech.net [70.151.169.5]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l0K9JQhp005966 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:19:27 GMT Received: from [65.136.100.152] (0-1pool100-152.nas1.greenwood1.ms.us.da.qwest.net [65.136.100.152]) by mirus.exceedtech.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id l0K9JLqQ009667 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:19:21 -0600 Message-ID: <45B1DE97.2060000@exceedtech.net> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 03:19:19 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.9) Gecko/20070105 SeaMonkey/1.0.7 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Suggestions for a minimalistic system References: <45B11EA5.9030301@gmail.com> <200701200852.11504.uwix@iway.na> In-Reply-To: <200701200852.11504.uwix@iway.na> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080003020801070203090807" X-Archives-Salt: e2dfc6da-e5a9-4731-866d-ac1250b2ce28 X-Archives-Hash: b8b6c13994a1a1a8589eed86f8c9c0cf This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080003020801070203090807 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Uwe Thiem wrote: > > This is odd.My main workstation also has 384MB of ram. I run a full KDE > session and do not experience any slow down. Right now, I have open: 9 > konqueror windows (not tabs), kmail, kmahjongg, konsole with 3 sessions, > noatun, kcalc. My background is a 1024x768 photo which also takes some > memory. Switching between virtual desktops is instantaneous, all apps are > very responsive. > > One good thing (among others) of using a real desktop environment is that all > apps share the vast majority of libraries which are loaded into memory just > once. When you mix environments or use an eclectic collection of unrelated > apps, they all draw in different libraries and memory usage goes up. > > Uwe > > I tend to agree with this. I use KDE myself. I have 1Gb of ram but as I type only about 280 MBs of it is in use. The rest is disk cache. I have a full blown KDE and I have Seamonkey, Konsole with several tabs open, Kppp, Konqueror, Kpatience, Kopete and Gkrellm open. I also have a lot of server stuff running too. Ntp, cups, folding which uses a lot on this unit, nut, rsync, http-replicator, distcc and no telling what else I forgot about. With a fresh login. I use less than 100MBs and that is with all that servers stuff and folding running still. Well, folding varies. Sometimes it uses a lot. sometimes not. Maybe you need to use top to see what is using all that memory. I have ran KDE with 256MBs of ram and had no problems with that either. 128MBs may be a problem though. That's getting into using swap a bit. Post back what you find though. I'm curious now. Maybe post what top says. This is mine showing only what uses more than 1%: > 8614 root 34 19 117m 90m 1384 S 0.0 9.0 0:01.51 > FahCore_a0.exe > 8616 root 34 19 117m 90m 1384 S 0.0 9.0 0:00.03 > FahCore_a0.exe > 8617 root 39 19 117m 90m 1384 R 24.6 9.0 5132:32 > FahCore_a0.exe > 8618 root 34 19 117m 90m 1384 S 0.0 9.0 0:00.00 > FahCore_a0.exe > 5373 dale 15 0 201m 78m 23m S 0.0 7.7 2:55.74 seamonkey-bin > 20372 root 15 0 82616 48m 5380 S 1.3 4.8 5:00.31 X > 16683 distcc 35 15 47360 38m 5620 R 29.3 3.8 0:00.88 cc1plus > 22159 dale 15 0 61004 29m 18m S 0.0 3.0 0:44.93 kopete > 22578 root 15 0 36628 24m 19m S 0.0 2.4 0:02.19 konqueror > 22119 dale 15 0 32028 18m 11m S 0.0 1.9 1:32.15 kdesktop > 22143 dale 15 0 25704 15m 12m S 0.0 1.6 0:02.99 kpat > 22126 dale 15 0 28460 14m 11m S 0.0 1.4 0:10.78 kicker > 22144 dale 15 0 24012 14m 11m S 0.0 1.4 0:00.98 kppp > 22150 dale 15 0 27848 13m 10m S 0.0 1.3 0:14.60 konsole > 22149 dale 15 0 27396 13m 10m S 0.0 1.3 0:00.48 kgpg > 22160 dale 20 0 23260 12m 11m S 0.0 1.3 0:02.85 kdesu > 22102 dale 15 0 27776 12m 10m S 0.0 1.3 0:02.58 kded > 6334 haldaemo 15 0 14048 12m 1632 S 0.0 1.2 31:51.26 hald > 22117 dale 15 0 31744 12m 9528 S 0.0 1.2 0:03.84 knotify > 22115 dale 24 0 25460 11m 9316 S 0.0 1.1 0:04.57 kwin > 22169 dale 15 0 24448 10m 9016 S 0.0 1.1 0:00.33 klipper > 6882 root 15 0 23724 10m 9100 S 0.0 1.1 0:00.14 kio_uiserver Maybe one of the gurus will see something strange. Dale :-) :-) :-) :-) -- www.myspace.com/dalek1967 --------------080003020801070203090807 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id l0K9Ooa8024537 Uwe Thiem wrote:

This is odd.My main workstation also has 384MB of ram. I run a full KDE=20
session and do not experience any slow down. Right now, I have open: 9=20
konqueror windows (not tabs), kmail, kmahjongg, konsole with 3 sessions,=20
noatun, kcalc. My background is a 1024x768 photo which also takes some=20
memory. Switching between virtual desktops is instantaneous, all apps are=
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very responsive.

One good thing (among others) of using a real desktop environment is that=
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apps share the vast majority of libraries which are loaded into memory ju=
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once. When you mix environments or use an eclectic  collection of unrelat=
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apps, they all draw in different libraries and memory usage goes up.

Uwe

I tend to agree with this.=A0 I use KDE myself.=A0 I have 1Gb of ram but = as I type only about 280 MBs of it is in use.=A0 The rest is disk cache.=A0 = I have a full blown KDE and I have Seamonkey, Konsole with several tabs open, Kppp, Konqueror, Kpatience, Kopete and Gkrellm open.=A0 I also have a lot of server stuff running too.=A0 Ntp, cups, folding which uses a lot on this unit, nut, rsync, http-replicator, distcc and no telling what else I forgot about.=A0 With a fresh login. I use less than 100MBs and that is with all that servers stuff and folding running still.=A0 Well, folding varies.=A0 Sometimes it uses a lot. sometimes not.

Maybe you need to use top to see what is using all that memory.=A0 I have ran KDE with 256MBs of ram and had no problems with that either.=A0 128MBs may be a problem though.=A0 That's getting into using swap a bit.<= br>
Post back what you find though.=A0 I'm curious now.=A0 Maybe post what to= p says.=A0 This is mine showing only what uses more than 1%:

=A08614 root=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 34=A0 19=A0 117m=A0= 90m 1384 S=A0 0.0=A0 9.0=A0=A0 0:01.51 FahCore_a0.exe
=A08616 root=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 34=A0 19=A0 117m=A0 90m 1384 S=A0 0.0=A0 9.0=A0= =A0 0:00.03 FahCore_a0.exe
=A08617 root=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 39=A0 19=A0 117m=A0 90m 1384 R 24.6=A0 9.0=A0= =A0 5132:32 FahCore_a0.exe
=A08618 root=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 34=A0 19=A0 117m=A0 90m 1384 S=A0 0.0=A0 9.0=A0= =A0 0:00.00 FahCore_a0.exe
=A05373 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0=A0 201m=A0 78m=A0 23m S=A0 0.0=A0 = 7.7=A0=A0 2:55.74 seamonkey-bin
20372 root=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 82616=A0 48m 5380 S=A0 1.3=A0 4.8=A0= =A0 5:00.31 X
16683 distcc=A0=A0=A0 35=A0 15 47360=A0 38m 5620 R 29.3=A0 3.8=A0=A0 0:00= .88 cc1plus
22159 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 61004=A0 29m=A0 18m S=A0 0.0=A0 3.0=A0= =A0 0:44.93 kopete
22578 root=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 36628=A0 24m=A0 19m S=A0 0.0=A0 2.4=A0= =A0 0:02.19 konqueror
22119 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 32028=A0 18m=A0 11m S=A0 0.0=A0 1.9=A0= =A0 1:32.15 kdesktop
22143 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 25704=A0 15m=A0 12m S=A0 0.0=A0 1.6=A0= =A0 0:02.99 kpat
22126 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 28460=A0 14m=A0 11m S=A0 0.0=A0 1.4=A0= =A0 0:10.78 kicker
22144 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 24012=A0 14m=A0 11m S=A0 0.0=A0 1.4=A0= =A0 0:00.98 kppp
22150 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 27848=A0 13m=A0 10m S=A0 0.0=A0 1.3=A0= =A0 0:14.60 konsole
22149 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 27396=A0 13m=A0 10m S=A0 0.0=A0 1.3=A0= =A0 0:00.48 kgpg
22160 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 20=A0=A0 0 23260=A0 12m=A0 11m S=A0 0.0=A0 1.3=A0= =A0 0:02.85 kdesu
22102 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 27776=A0 12m=A0 10m S=A0 0.0=A0 1.3=A0= =A0 0:02.58 kded
=A06334 haldaemo=A0 15=A0=A0 0 14048=A0 12m 1632 S=A0 0.0=A0 1.2=A0 31:51= .26 hald
22117 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 31744=A0 12m 9528 S=A0 0.0=A0 1.2=A0= =A0 0:03.84 knotify
22115 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 24=A0=A0 0 25460=A0 11m 9316 S=A0 0.0=A0 1.1=A0= =A0 0:04.57 kwin
22169 dale=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 24448=A0 10m 9016 S=A0 0.0=A0 1.1=A0= =A0 0:00.33 klipper
=A06882 root=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 15=A0=A0 0 23724=A0 10m 9100 S=A0 0.0=A0 1.1=A0= =A0 0:00.14 kio_uiserver

Maybe one of the gurus will see something strange.

Dale

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