[gentoo-user] CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[gentoo-user] CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[David Corbin]

For some unknown reason, CTRL-ALT-NUM+ has stopped working for me.  I'm 
reasonably sure it happened when I switch from KDE-monolithic to the 
individual KDE packages, odd as that sounds.

I've sought help from #xorg and #gentoo  on IRC, but no one has been able to 
help.  I can tell you this:

1) I do not have DontZoom in my xorg.conf file.
2) xrandr lists several resolutions (more than I expected) and can switch 
between at least two.  But the switch is different than expected, in that it 
changed the desktop size too.
3) X Window System Version 7.1.1
Release Date: 12 May 2006
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1

Any ideas on how to solve this problem are appreciated.

David
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[gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[Harm Geerts]

On Friday 12 January 2007 01:34, David Corbin wrote:
> For some unknown reason, CTRL-ALT-NUM+ has stopped working for me.  I'm
> reasonably sure it happened when I switch from KDE-monolithic to the
> individual KDE packages, odd as that sounds.
>
> I've sought help from #xorg and #gentoo  on IRC, but no one has been able
> to help.  I can tell you this:
>
> 1) I do not have DontZoom in my xorg.conf file.
> 2) xrandr lists several resolutions (more than I expected) and can switch
> between at least two.  But the switch is different than expected, in that
> it changed the desktop size too.
> 3) X Window System Version 7.1.1
> Release Date: 12 May 2006
> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1
>
> Any ideas on how to solve this problem are appreciated.

I *think* these events are passed directly to X, not to kde.
So that would rule out the upgrade from monolithic kde.

If I recall correctly the kde monolithic switch was around the same time Xorg 
had a major upgrade. In that upgrade there were some radical changes to the 
keyboard configuration. Is it possible the CTRL-ALT-NUM+ event doesn't 
trigger because the keyboard config is incorrect?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[Justin Findlay]

On AD 2007 January 12 Friday 02:05:22 AM +0000, Avaricen wrote:
> Have you attempted using CTRL-ALT-NUM+ on another desktop env?

Even TWM should work in case you don't want to emerge anything.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[Avaricen]

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Harm Geerts wrote:
> On Friday 12 January 2007 01:34, David Corbin wrote:
>> For some unknown reason, CTRL-ALT-NUM+ has stopped working for me.  I'm
>> reasonably sure it happened when I switch from KDE-monolithic to the
>> individual KDE packages, odd as that sounds.
>>
>> I've sought help from #xorg and #gentoo  on IRC, but no one has been able
>> to help.  I can tell you this:
>>
>> 1) I do not have DontZoom in my xorg.conf file.
>> 2) xrandr lists several resolutions (more than I expected) and can switch
>> between at least two.  But the switch is different than expected, in that
>> it changed the desktop size too.
>> 3) X Window System Version 7.1.1
>> Release Date: 12 May 2006
>> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1
>>
>> Any ideas on how to solve this problem are appreciated.
> 
> I *think* these events are passed directly to X, not to kde.
> So that would rule out the upgrade from monolithic kde.
> 
> If I recall correctly the kde monolithic switch was around the same time Xorg 
> had a major upgrade. In that upgrade there were some radical changes to the 
> keyboard configuration. Is it possible the CTRL-ALT-NUM+ event doesn't 
> trigger because the keyboard config is incorrect?
Have you attempted using CTRL-ALT-NUM+ on another desktop env?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[David Corbin]

On Thursday 11 January 2007 21:05, Avaricen wrote:
> Harm Geerts wrote:
> > On Friday 12 January 2007 01:34, David Corbin wrote:
> >> For some unknown reason, CTRL-ALT-NUM+ has stopped working for me.  I'm
> >> reasonably sure it happened when I switch from KDE-monolithic to the
> >> individual KDE packages, odd as that sounds.
> >>
> >> I've sought help from #xorg and #gentoo  on IRC, but no one has been
> >> able to help.  I can tell you this:
> >>
> >> 1) I do not have DontZoom in my xorg.conf file.
> >> 2) xrandr lists several resolutions (more than I expected) and can
> >> switch between at least two.  But the switch is different than expected,
> >> in that it changed the desktop size too.
> >> 3) X Window System Version 7.1.1
> >> Release Date: 12 May 2006
> >> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1
> >>
> >> Any ideas on how to solve this problem are appreciated.
> >
> > I *think* these events are passed directly to X, not to kde.
> > So that would rule out the upgrade from monolithic kde.
> >
> > If I recall correctly the kde monolithic switch was around the same time
> > Xorg had a major upgrade. In that upgrade there were some radical changes
> > to the keyboard configuration. Is it possible the CTRL-ALT-NUM+ event
> > doesn't trigger because the keyboard config is incorrect?
>
> Have you attempted using CTRL-ALT-NUM+ on another desktop env?

I have now, and it also fails.  And I notice that CTRL-ALT-F1 will not switch 
me to a virtual terminal.

David
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[David Corbin]

Success, but I can't explain it all.

First, I removed 'Option       "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" ' from xorg.conf.  
That got the VT working and the Zooming. But ALT-TAB wasn't working at all.   
Now, earlier I had problems with the WIN key not working for me as I wanted 
it to, and adde some xmodmap entires for the WIN key (but not the ALT key).  

Still, I got suspicous, and took those out, but the XkbVariant back, and now 
everything including the WIN key is working.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[Avaricen]

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Justin Findlay wrote:
> On AD 2007 January 12 Friday 02:05:22 AM +0000, Avaricen wrote:
>> Have you attempted using CTRL-ALT-NUM+ on another desktop env?
> 
> Even TWM should work in case you don't want to emerge anything.
> 
> 
> Justin
Agreed, however if its a case of which its not DE specific. Then you'd
be dealing with a matter beyond the scope of my horizon. I think you
should ask an xorg developer if thats the case.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[Avaricen]

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David Corbin wrote:
> On Thursday 11 January 2007 21:05, Avaricen wrote:
>> Harm Geerts wrote:
>>> On Friday 12 January 2007 01:34, David Corbin wrote:
>>>> For some unknown reason, CTRL-ALT-NUM+ has stopped working for me.  I'm
>>>> reasonably sure it happened when I switch from KDE-monolithic to the
>>>> individual KDE packages, odd as that sounds.
>>>>
>>>> I've sought help from #xorg and #gentoo  on IRC, but no one has been
>>>> able to help.  I can tell you this:
>>>>
>>>> 1) I do not have DontZoom in my xorg.conf file.
>>>> 2) xrandr lists several resolutions (more than I expected) and can
>>>> switch between at least two.  But the switch is different than expected,
>>>> in that it changed the desktop size too.
>>>> 3) X Window System Version 7.1.1
>>>> Release Date: 12 May 2006
>>>> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.1.1
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas on how to solve this problem are appreciated.
>>> I *think* these events are passed directly to X, not to kde.
>>> So that would rule out the upgrade from monolithic kde.
>>>
>>> If I recall correctly the kde monolithic switch was around the same time
>>> Xorg had a major upgrade. In that upgrade there were some radical changes
>>> to the keyboard configuration. Is it possible the CTRL-ALT-NUM+ event
>>> doesn't trigger because the keyboard config is incorrect?
>> Have you attempted using CTRL-ALT-NUM+ on another desktop env?
> 
> I have now, and it also fails.  And I notice that CTRL-ALT-F1 will not switch 
> me to a virtual terminal.
> 
> David

I suggest reporting the matter to xorg developers.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[Avaricen]

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David Corbin wrote:
> Success, but I can't explain it all.
> 
> First, I removed 'Option       "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" ' from xorg.conf.  
> That got the VT working and the Zooming. But ALT-TAB wasn't working at all.   
> Now, earlier I had problems with the WIN key not working for me as I wanted 
> it to, and adde some xmodmap entires for the WIN key (but not the ALT key).  
> 
> Still, I got suspicous, and took those out, but the XkbVariant back, and now 
> everything including the WIN key is working.
> 
Nice to know you got it working alright, did you modify your xorg.conf?
Was this problem since your inception to Gentoo?

Best
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[Adrian]

David;

I'm having the exact same problems on one of my computers since I
upgraded to the latest X.  I simply haven't gotten around to doing much
trouble shooting since I don't use that system very often.  Thanks for
posting your solution, I'm gonna try this out later.

Adrian 


On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:27:11 -0500
David Corbin <gentoo.org@machturtle.com> wrote the words:

> Success, but I can't explain it all.
> 
> First, I removed 'Option       "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" ' from
> xorg.conf. That got the VT working and the Zooming. But ALT-TAB
> wasn't working at all. Now, earlier I had problems with the WIN key
> not working for me as I wanted it to, and adde some xmodmap entires
> for the WIN key (but not the ALT key).  
> 
> Still, I got suspicous, and took those out, but the XkbVariant back,
> and now everything including the WIN key is working.
> 
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> 


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[David Corbin]

On Thursday 11 January 2007 22:39, Avaricen wrote:
> David Corbin wrote:
> > Success, but I can't explain it all.
> >
> > First, I removed 'Option       "XkbVariant" "nodeadkeys" ' from
> > xorg.conf. That got the VT working and the Zooming. But ALT-TAB wasn't
> > working at all. Now, earlier I had problems with the WIN key not working
> > for me as I wanted it to, and adde some xmodmap entires for the WIN key
> > (but not the ALT key).
> >
> > Still, I got suspicous, and took those out, but the XkbVariant back, and
> > now everything including the WIN key is working.
>
> Nice to know you got it working alright, did you modify your xorg.conf?

I did modify it in an attempt to solve the problem, but the problem showed up 
without me making any such modifications that I'm aware of. 

> Was this problem since your inception to Gentoo?

No,  I've been running Gentoo on this system for 2 3/4 years.  I've been using 
these keystrokes for over a year.  I upgraded to X11 7.x a few months ago.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[David Corbin]

On Friday 12 January 2007 10:40, Adrian wrote:
> David;
>
> I'm having the exact same problems on one of my computers since I
> upgraded to the latest X.  I simply haven't gotten around to doing much
> trouble shooting since I don't use that system very often.  Thanks for
> posting your solution, I'm gonna try this out later.

If you call it a solution :)  From my perspective, it's magic.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[Adrian]

On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 19:41:32 -0500
David Corbin <gentoo.org@machturtle.com> wrote the words:

> On Friday 12 January 2007 10:40, Adrian wrote:
> > David;
> >
> > I'm having the exact same problems on one of my computers since I
> > upgraded to the latest X.  I simply haven't gotten around to doing
> > much trouble shooting since I don't use that system very often.
> > Thanks for posting your solution, I'm gonna try this out later.
> 
> If you call it a solution :)  From my perspective, it's magic.
> -- 

I call it strange magic.

I had the same problems, Windows keys didn't work and CTR-ALT-F1 would
not switch to a VT . . . 

David said, if I'm reading this right, he had to take "nodeadkeys"
out.  Well, I didn't have that options, I added it, and now it works
fine.

Magic or science, I don't care.  I simply want results.  This time I
got 'em.  Odd as it may be....

This is actually the same xorg.conf which worked fine with X 6.x.  It
wasn't until I installed X 7 that it got strange on me.

Adrian



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[Benno Schulenberg]

Adrian wrote:
> I call it strange magic.
>
> I had the same problems, Windows keys didn't work and CTR-ALT-F1
> would not switch to a VT . . .
>
> David said, if I'm reading this right, he had to take
> "nodeadkeys" out.  Well, I didn't have that options, I added it,
> and now it works fine.

Ctrl+Alt+numpadminus and Ctrl+Alt+numpadplus never worked for me. In 
KMail the Ctrl+Alt+numpadminus would do the same thing as the plain 
minus key.  Until I read this thread and started trying all kinds 
of combinations...  After toggling NumLock, it suddenly started to 
work, and now just keeps working no matter what the state of NumLock 
is, also after a reboot.  :|

Are we maybe all using KDE?  Might some obsolete configuration data 
be interfering, data that only gets flushed when the keyboard config 
is changed?  So just changing the config, and later changing it back 
should work?

Benno
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: CTRL-ALT-NUM+

[Adrian]

On Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:47:16 +0100
Benno Schulenberg <benno.schulenberg@gmail.com> wrote the words:

> Adrian wrote:
> > I call it strange magic.
> >
> > I had the same problems, Windows keys didn't work and CTR-ALT-F1
> > would not switch to a VT . . .
> >
> > David said, if I'm reading this right, he had to take
> > "nodeadkeys" out.  Well, I didn't have that options, I added it,
> > and now it works fine.
> 
> Ctrl+Alt+numpadminus and Ctrl+Alt+numpadplus never worked for me. In 
> KMail the Ctrl+Alt+numpadminus would do the same thing as the plain 
> minus key.  Until I read this thread and started trying all kinds 
> of combinations...  After toggling NumLock, it suddenly started to 
> work, and now just keeps working no matter what the state of NumLock 
> is, also after a reboot.  :|
> 
> Are we maybe all using KDE?  Might some obsolete configuration data 
> be interfering, data that only gets flushed when the keyboard config 
> is changed?  So just changing the config, and later changing it back 
> should work?
> 
> Benno
> -- 

I'm using Enlightenment.  

I had this same problem on a fresh system
which was installed from the 2006.1 CD.  At the time I assumed it was a
problem with the "whole thing" since I had problems with 2006.0 as
well.  I went back to install from a 2005.0 CD (which is what I use to
have on this computer and it worked fine) then upgraded all my packages
and the problem was there again.

I have KDE installed, but seldom actually use KDE, I just like many of
their applications.

Very odd stuff.....  

Adrian


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