[gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge

[gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge

[John covici]

Hi.  I am new to gentoo -- I have used Debian and rpm type
distributions, but I have a fewquestions about emerge.

1)  Any way to get a package list as one line per package like
    debian's dpkg -l or rpm's rpm -qa ?  The --info gives info about
    the system, but does not seem to give a list of packages.  

2)  How do I ensure that all dependencies of a package are updated --
    does --update --deep do this and would --update --deep world or
    system do this?

3)  Where are the packages listed for system?  For instance I
    installed coldplug and it installed pciutils, but that package is
    not listed in world -- should it be?  Or is it a system package?

OK, that's it for now -- thanks much in advance for your help.

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Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge

[Dale]

John covici wrote:
> Hi.  I am new to gentoo -- I have used Debian and rpm type
> distributions, but I have a fewquestions about emerge.
>
> 1)  Any way to get a package list as one line per package like
>     debian's dpkg -l or rpm's rpm -qa ?  The --info gives info about
>     the system, but does not seem to give a list of packages.  
>   

equery list will do that I think.  emerge gentoolkit to get that
command, if you haven't already.
> 2)  How do I ensure that all dependencies of a package are updated --
>     does --update --deep do this and would --update --deep world or
>     system do this?
>   

Yup, emerge -uvD world should do that.  Actually, that is how I update
mine too.  It has worked so far.  There is some debate about it though. 
Some leave out the -D part. 
> 3)  Where are the packages listed for system?  For instance I
>     installed coldplug and it installed pciutils, but that package is
>     not listed in world -- should it be?  Or is it a system package?
>   

I'll give a example.  If you emerge Seamonkey.  It will pull in a few to
a lot of dependencies.  Only Seamonkey will be listed in world though. 
The name of the package you actually put in the emerge command is listed
in the world file, not all the dependencies.  The -D in the update
should take care of those though as far as keeping them updated.
> OK, that's it for now -- thanks much in advance for your help.
>
>   

You welcome.  I hope I helped. 

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge

[Daniel Iliev]

John covici wrote:
> Hi.  I am new to gentoo -- I have used Debian and rpm type
> distributions, but I have a fewquestions about emerge.
>
> 1)  Any way to get a package list as one line per package like
>     debian's dpkg -l or rpm's rpm -qa ?  The --info gives info about
>     the system, but does not seem to give a list of packages.  
>
> 2)  How do I ensure that all dependencies of a package are updated --
>     does --update --deep do this and would --update --deep world or
>     system do this?
>
> 3)  Where are the packages listed for system?  For instance I
>     installed coldplug and it installed pciutils, but that package is
>     not listed in world -- should it be?  Or is it a system package?
>
> OK, that's it for now -- thanks much in advance for your help.
>
>   

1) "emerge -ep world" should list all currently installed packages
2) yes, "emerge -uD world" keeps your system up-todate
3) "emerge -ep system" gives you the base system packages. In the
example you gave "pciutils" is installed as a depandecy. Following this
case if yu decide to uninstall coldplug ( "emerge -C coldplug") then
"pciutils" would remain in your system as an orphaned package. Use
"emerge --depclean" to remove such packages.

I'm kindly recommending you to read *"man emerge"*, "man portage", "man
make.conf".

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Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge

[John covici]

OK, thanks guys this get me going -- I think I will emerge the toolkit
and see what that gives me.

on Sunday 01/07/2007 Daniel Iliev(danny@ilievnet.com) wrote
 > John covici wrote:
 > > Hi.  I am new to gentoo -- I have used Debian and rpm type
 > > distributions, but I have a fewquestions about emerge.
 > >
 > > 1)  Any way to get a package list as one line per package like
 > >     debian's dpkg -l or rpm's rpm -qa ?  The --info gives info about
 > >     the system, but does not seem to give a list of packages.  
 > >
 > > 2)  How do I ensure that all dependencies of a package are updated --
 > >     does --update --deep do this and would --update --deep world or
 > >     system do this?
 > >
 > > 3)  Where are the packages listed for system?  For instance I
 > >     installed coldplug and it installed pciutils, but that package is
 > >     not listed in world -- should it be?  Or is it a system package?
 > >
 > > OK, that's it for now -- thanks much in advance for your help.
 > >
 > >   
 > 
 > 1) "emerge -ep world" should list all currently installed packages
 > 2) yes, "emerge -uD world" keeps your system up-todate
 > 3) "emerge -ep system" gives you the base system packages. In the
 > example you gave "pciutils" is installed as a depandecy. Following this
 > case if yu decide to uninstall coldplug ( "emerge -C coldplug") then
 > "pciutils" would remain in your system as an orphaned package. Use
 > "emerge --depclean" to remove such packages.
 > 
 > I'm kindly recommending you to read *"man emerge"*, "man portage", "man
 > make.conf".
 > 
 > -- 
 > Best regards,
 > Daniel
 > 
 > 
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Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge

[b.n.]

Dale ha scritto:
> John covici wrote:
>> Hi.  I am new to gentoo -- I have used Debian and rpm type
>> distributions, but I have a fewquestions about emerge.
>>
>> 1)  Any way to get a package list as one line per package like
>>     debian's dpkg -l or rpm's rpm -qa ?  The --info gives info about
>>     the system, but does not seem to give a list of packages.  
>>   
> 
> equery list will do that I think.  emerge gentoolkit to get that
> command, if you haven't already.

Also, emerge eix and use eix to search for packages. eix will become one 
of your best friend :), mostly because it's damn FAST.
If you use it, sync portage by doing eix-sync: this launches emerge 
--sync AND updates the eix database.

m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 03:21:14 -0500, John covici wrote:

> 1)  Any way to get a package list as one line per package like
>     debian's dpkg -l or rpm's rpm -qa ?  The --info gives info about
>     the system, but does not seem to give a list of packages.  

equery, as already mentioned, or eix with the -i and -c options.
 
> 2)  How do I ensure that all dependencies of a package are updated --
>     does --update --deep do this and would --update --deep world or
>     system do this?

Lets say A depends on B which in turn depends on C. emerge --update world
will update A and B, but not C unless A or B's updates REQUIRE a layer C.
Adding --deep will update C too (and D,E,F...)

> 3)  Where are the packages listed for system?  For instance I
>     installed coldplug and it installed pciutils, but that package is
>     not listed in world -- should it be?  Or is it a system package?

In your profile. the easiest way to list them is with "emerge -ep system".

Emerging coldplug added it to your world file (/var/lib/portage/world).
pciutils was installed as a dependency, so it is not listed in world (or
system). If you uninstall coldplug (and any other packages depending on
pciutils) emerge --depclean  will remove pciutils , always use the -p
option with depclean first.


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Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge

[Norman Rieß]

Daniel Iliev schrieb:
>
> 2) yes, "emerge -uD world" keeps your system up-todate
>
>   
"emerge -uDN world" also takes care of newly added or removed USE-flags.

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Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Sunday 07 January 2007 10:02, Daniel Iliev wrote:
> I'm kindly recommending you to read *"man emerge"*, "man portage", "man
> make.conf".

I'd say it's sufficient to read the whole handbook (including parts 
2, "Working with Gentoo", and 3, "Working with Portage") to begin with. :)

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml

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Re: [gentoo-user] couple of newbie questions about emerge

[Dale]

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Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:
> On Sunday 07 January 2007 10:02, Daniel Iliev wrote:
>   
>> I'm kindly recommending you to read *"man emerge"*, "man portage", "man
>> make.conf".
>>     
>
> I'd say it's sufficient to read the whole handbook (including parts 
> 2, "Working with Gentoo", and 3, "Working with Portage") to begin with. :)
>
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/index.xml
>
>   
Ya know, as many changes as there have been since Gentoo came out, I
need to read that too.  Gentoo has changed a lot since I first installed
it.  I still miss etcat too.  :-(

I forgot to mention this in my first reply.  WELCOME TO GENTOO!!!!!!! 
It takes a bit of getting used to but boy is it worth it.  This is
waaaaay easier than Mandrake or whatever it is called now.  I started on
Mandrake 9.1.  9.2 helped me move on to something better.  That would be
Gentoo by the way.

Hang in there.

Dale

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