[gentoo-user] Mail system recommendations

[gentoo-user] Mail system recommendations

[Michael Sullivan]

I have a small network, consisting of three PCs.  Each of these PCs has
a public WAN address, and each runs Apache, vsftpd and sendmail (as well
as ipkungfu for firewall protection).  One of them runs mailman.  I
would like to replace sendmail with something not so...shall we say
prehistoric?  I've been advised many times to do so on this list and
others.  Would anyone please give me some recommendations for a new
choice of mail server?  I'd like one with plenty if documentation.
Thank you.
-Michael Sullivan-

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mail system recommendations

[Raymond Lewis Rebbeck]

On Thursday 09 November 2006 5:03, Michael Sullivan wrote:
> I have a small network, consisting of three PCs.  Each of these PCs has
> a public WAN address, and each runs Apache, vsftpd and sendmail (as well
> as ipkungfu for firewall protection).  One of them runs mailman.  I
> would like to replace sendmail with something not so...shall we say
> prehistoric?  I've been advised many times to do so on this list and
> others.  Would anyone please give me some recommendations for a new
> choice of mail server?  I'd like one with plenty if documentation.
> Thank you.
> -Michael Sullivan-

postfix is supposed to be pretty good.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Mail system recommendations

[James]

Michael Sullivan <michael <at> espersunited.com> writes:


> Would anyone please give me some recommendations for a new
> choice of mail server?  I'd like one with plenty if documentation.

Hello Michael,

 assuming want a pre-packaged solution, not using overlay etc,
then on one of your gentoo systems, enter:

ls /usr/portage/mail-mta

to get the list of mta choices in portage.....

Wietse Venema, author of postfix, is a very sharp individual, so
he get's my vote.


hth,


James



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Re: [gentoo-user] Mail system recommendations

[Michael Crute]

On 11/8/06, Michael Sullivan <michael@espersunited.com> wrote:
> I have a small network, consisting of three PCs.  Each of these PCs has
> a public WAN address, and each runs Apache, vsftpd and sendmail (as well
> as ipkungfu for firewall protection).  One of them runs mailman.  I
> would like to replace sendmail with something not so...shall we say
> prehistoric?  I've been advised many times to do so on this list and
> others.  Would anyone please give me some recommendations for a new
> choice of mail server?  I'd like one with plenty if documentation.

For my money I would say run postfix.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Mail system recommendations

[reader]

"Michael Crute" <mcrute@gmail.com> writes:

> On 11/8/06, Michael Sullivan <michael@espersunited.com> wrote:
>> I have a small network, consisting of three PCs.  Each of these PCs has
>> a public WAN address, and each runs Apache, vsftpd and sendmail (as well
>> as ipkungfu for firewall protection).  One of them runs mailman.  I
>> would like to replace sendmail with something not so...shall we say
>> prehistoric?  I've been advised many times to do so on this list and
>> others.  Would anyone please give me some recommendations for a new
>> choice of mail server?  I'd like one with plenty if documentation.
>
> For my money I would say run postfix.

Your setups sound pretty similar to mine and I'll tell you that I've
several times attempted to switch ... I tried exim, postfix and
something else I've since forgotten.

Each time I returned to sendmail and have decided each time that
sendmail actually has the best and most complete documentation.

It can be aggravating from time to time.  My biggest trouble is
forgetting all I ever learned each time I need it again.

I'd stick with sendmail if I were you.  Its usually something kind of
minor once you find the problem.

Sendmail is by far the most versatile of them all.

Spend some time learning the various tests one can run with sendmail
and you may be able to fix things yourself more often.

I'd also suggest posting whatever problem is bothering you on 
comp.mail.sendmail newsgroup.

There is lots of expert help available there and a thorough search of
its archives can sometimes do the job without posting.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mail system recommendations

[Vladimir G. Ivanovic]

On Wed, 2006-11-08 at 18:30 -0600, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> "Michael Crute" <mcrute@gmail.com> writes:
> 
> > On 11/8/06, Michael Sullivan <michael@espersunited.com> wrote:
> >> I have a small network, consisting of three PCs.  Each of these PCs has
> >> a public WAN address, and each runs Apache, vsftpd and sendmail (as well
> >> as ipkungfu for firewall protection).  One of them runs mailman.  I
> >> would like to replace sendmail with something not so...shall we say
> >> prehistoric?  I've been advised many times to do so on this list and
> >> others.  Would anyone please give me some recommendations for a new
> >> choice of mail server?  I'd like one with plenty if documentation.
> >
> > For my money I would say run postfix.
> 
> Your setups sound pretty similar to mine and I'll tell you that I've
> several times attempted to switch ... I tried exim, postfix and
> something else I've since forgotten.

I've looked at postfix & qmail only.

> 
> Each time I returned to sendmail and have decided each time that
> sendmail actually has the best and most complete documentation.

Ditto.

> 
> It can be aggravating from time to time.  My biggest trouble is
> forgetting all I ever learned each time I need it again.

Ditto.

> 
> I'd stick with sendmail if I were you.  Its usually something kind of
> minor once you find the problem.
> 
> Sendmail is by far the most versatile of them all.
> 
> Spend some time learning the various tests one can run with sendmail
> and you may be able to fix things yourself more often.
> 
> I'd also suggest posting whatever problem is bothering you on 
> comp.mail.sendmail newsgroup.
> 
> There is lots of expert help available there and a thorough search of
> its archives can sometimes do the job without posting.
> 
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> Just my .02.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mail system recommendations

[David Relson]

On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:06:12 -0500
Michael Crute wrote:

> On 11/8/06, Michael Sullivan <michael@espersunited.com> wrote:
> > I have a small network, consisting of three PCs.  Each of these PCs
> > has a public WAN address, and each runs Apache, vsftpd and sendmail
> > (as well as ipkungfu for firewall protection).  One of them runs
> > mailman.  I would like to replace sendmail with something not
> > so...shall we say prehistoric?  I've been advised many times to do
> > so on this list and others.  Would anyone please give me some
> > recommendations for a new choice of mail server?  I'd like one with
> > plenty if documentation.
> 
> For my money I would say run postfix.

Michael S:

I agree with Michael C.  I've been running postfix for several years.
It's easy to use and it works!  More than that I don't want/need
(though I do use mailman with it to handle the bogofilter mailing
lists).

Regards,

David
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mail system recommendations

[Radosław Grzanka]

David Relson napisał(a):
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 19:06:12 -0500
> Michael Crute wrote:
>
>   
>> On 11/8/06, Michael Sullivan <michael@espersunited.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> I have a small network, consisting of three PCs.  Each of these PCs
>>> has a public WAN address, and each runs Apache, vsftpd and sendmail
>>> (as well as ipkungfu for firewall protection).  One of them runs
>>> mailman.  I would like to replace sendmail with something not
>>> so...shall we say prehistoric?  I've been advised many times to do
>>> so on this list and others.  Would anyone please give me some
>>> recommendations for a new choice of mail server?  I'd like one with
>>> plenty if documentation.
>>>       
>> For my money I would say run postfix.
>>     
>
> Michael S:
>
> I agree with Michael C.  I've been running postfix for several years.
> It's easy to use and it works!  More than that I don't want/need
> (though I do use mailman with it to handle the bogofilter mailing
> lists).
>   
Hi,
  I have few (small) sites that run postfix under my control and I also 
would recommend it.
  However if you require some advanced features from postfix 
(anti-virus, spamassassin etc.) then be prepared for few surprises on 
upgrade and looking through configuration files + documentation + 
changelog. Once it cought me with my pants down and left my sites for 
few days without mail until I found source of the problem.

  Still, postfix is the best IMVHO.

Cheers,
  Radek.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mail system recommendations

[kashani]

Radosław Grzanka wrote:
> Hi,
>  I have few (small) sites that run postfix under my control and I also 
> would recommend it.
>  However if you require some advanced features from postfix (anti-virus, 
> spamassassin etc.) then be prepared for few surprises on upgrade and 
> looking through configuration files + documentation + changelog. Once it 
> cought me with my pants down and left my sites for few days without mail 
> until I found source of the problem.
> 
>  Still, postfix is the best IMVHO.

	The moral of the story is that that the move between 2.0 to 2.1 or 2.1 
to 2.2 or 2.2 to 2.3 are actually major updates and a number of things 
change within the internals of Postfix. If you don't actually look at 
the change logs you will run into problems. On the other hand each of 
these releases introduced some nice functionality. 2.1 was policy 
servers which made graylisting easy, 2.2 changed SQL syntax which made 
the queries you could do much more powerful, 2.3 was actual sendmail 
style milters that didn't need to be requeued.

I've been really happy with Postfix over the past 4 years.

kashani
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Re: [gentoo-user] Mail system recommendations

[Julien Cayzac]

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On 11/8/06, Raymond Lewis Rebbeck <dystopianray@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> postfix is supposed to be pretty good.
>

gmail is even better :)
with all the amount of spam hits my smtp server has received before I
removed it, there is no way I will declare a MX record in my dns ever
again...

jc

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