From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GdsPH-00005S-2d for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:55:43 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9SHrZeo016348; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:53:35 GMT Received: from mirus.exceedtech.net (ns0.exceedtech.net [70.151.169.5]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9SHpKVV015458 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:51:20 GMT Received: from [65.136.101.48] (0-1pool101-48.nas1.greenwood1.ms.us.da.qwest.net [65.136.101.48]) by mirus.exceedtech.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id k9SHqTqQ008792 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:52:30 -0500 Message-ID: <45439894.3030906@exceedtech.net> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 12:51:16 -0500 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.7) Gecko/20061016 SeaMonkey/1.0.5 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] BIG reiserfs problem References: <45435902.30903@exceedtech.net> <45438823.5080907@gmail.com> <200610281202.19357.nbensa@gmx.net> <45437415.5070503@fire-eyes.org> <45439F3B.2050206@gmail.com> <1162053192.6776.5.camel@statux.kicks-ass.net> In-Reply-To: <1162053192.6776.5.camel@statux.kicks-ass.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060903080508080709090706" X-Archives-Salt: 1e3da73a-8cc8-4b34-878a-6141387ecb44 X-Archives-Hash: 13ae8fc56b09d45f83a9e16562d4ec9b This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060903080508080709090706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Statux wrote: >> This becomes a philosophical question but, shouldn't computers (hw and >> sw) be thought to resist hard power outages as much as possible? >> If UPS systems are the only feasible way to obtain it, why no one >> thought to somehow include them inside desktop systems? >> > > I'm sure that they're out there but not in most applications. It's all > about smaller and lighter now adays with electronics, but you could > probably find a PSU and a UPS combined somewhere; not sure how big it > would be or if it would fit within the ATX formfactor for desktop > systems, though. Now, mounting something off the back of the case is > another story... > > I'm getting too creative right now so I'll just stop :) > > I'm thinking you could make the capacitors on the high voltage side MUCH larger so it would last longer. It would still have to be a fast shutdown though. Something like shutdown -h -t -5 minutes ago. LOL The only thing about that is charging them when you first turn on the computer. Dale :-) :-) --------------060903080508080709090706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Statux wrote:

This becomes a philosophical question but, shouldn't computers (hw and 
sw) be thought to resist hard power outages as much as possible?
If UPS systems are the only feasible way to obtain it, why no one 
thought to somehow include them inside desktop systems?


I'm sure that they're out there but not in most applications. It's all
about smaller and lighter now adays with electronics, but you could
probably find a PSU and a UPS combined somewhere; not sure how big it
would be or if it would fit within the ATX formfactor for desktop
systems, though. Now, mounting something off the back of the case is
another story...

I'm getting too creative right now so I'll just stop :)

I'm thinking you could make the capacitors on the high voltage side MUCH larger so it would last longer. It would still have to be a fast shutdown though. Something like shutdown -h -t -5 minutes ago. LOL The only thing about that is charging them when you first turn on the computer.

Dale

:-) :-)
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