From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GXQl4-0001Zl-39 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:11:34 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with SMTP id k9ANAMcD013406; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:10:22 GMT Received: from mx6.uniserve.ca (mx6.uniserve.ca [216.113.192.90]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k9AN66GQ004958 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:06:09 GMT Received: from 216-86-98-175.dhcp555.dsl.ucc-net.ca ([216.86.98.175] helo=delta.tarpman.homelinux.com) by mx6.uniserve.ca with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1GXQfl-0007DD-9h for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:06:05 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (epsilon.tarpman.homelinux.com [192.168.0.2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by delta.tarpman.homelinux.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CED4E2AC185 for ; Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <452C2773.2040301@tarpman.homelinux.com> Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 16:06:27 -0700 From: Ryan Tandy User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.7 (Windows/20060909) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Xorg 7.0+composite+radeon OSS drivers+radeon9200se : X cpu usage sometimes rockets to > 80% References: <452AD73D.3060605@gmail.com> <7573e9640610101034h60dd249at759ab008852b84c2@mail.gmail.com> <452C0841.20102@gmail.com> <7573e9640610101324v75411a43xe7123a8fc7733364@mail.gmail.com> <452C2869.9050600@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <452C2869.9050600@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Scanner: OK. Scanned. X-Uniserve-Spam-Score: 0.0 0 (/) X-Uniserve-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on this mail system has identified this incoming email as possible spam. An analysis of the message is below. Content analysis details: (0.0 points) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by robin.gentoo.org id k9AN66GQ004958 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id k9ANAMcQ013406 X-Archives-Salt: 4ba12b3a-8387-40e6-aad9-487856d761ee X-Archives-Hash: 8c11c28ea050ddd4e0f84aa7a1ada320 b.n. wrote: > Richard Fish ha scritto: >> Yeah, I'm not a fan of Xgl either, but I am of AIGLX, and I was under >> the impression that the open source radeon driver had good support for >> AIGLX. I'm using nvidia, so I had to wait for the 9xxx driver release >> before I could use it... :-( >=20 > I was under the impression AIGLX was dying in favour of Xgl. Well, I'll= =20 > do my research :) >=20 Quite the other way around, as far as I've been able to tell. Xgl got=20 greater publicity, yes, but AIGLX is the one that will eventually be the=20 "official" solution - it's already present in Portage's xorg-server in=20 some form. By the way, the latest beta drivers from nVidia provide the OpenGL=20 extension that Compiz and Beryl use, so you don't even need AIGLX nor=20 Xgl, and DRI can remain enabled (wobbly quake3! ^_^). My laptop at the=20 moment has no overlays at all - xorg-server from ~x86, compiz from ~x86,=20 and nvidia-drivers in package.unmask - and it's all working very nicely.=20 :) Hopefully other driver devs will follow suit. >> I find the task switcher that displays live images of the windows, and >> the scale effect (move the cursor to a corner of the screen and all >> windows shrink and tile on the screen, and then you click on the one >> you want to switch to) to be the most useful,=20 >=20 > Yes, an Expos=E8-like thing would be really useful. Is it *fast*? >=20 Yes. I tried compiz+AIGLX on my old Celeron 1.5GHz with integrated=20 motherboard video (eeew!) just for kicks and it ran fairly smoothly -=20 modest framerate, but definitely usable. If you mean literally fast,=20 then also yes - all of the animations happen within half a second or so=20 (not that I've measured ;)). There's a key shortcut, too, if you want=20 to see jiggly windows in slow-mo. (shift-f10 is the default, I believe?=20 Someone help me out on that one.) >> although I could watch >> my windows wobble and jiggle all day! >=20 > lol! >=20 That is awfully cute. :) My favorite feature is the window scaler. Oh,=20 and the way the rest of the desktop sort of drops into the background=20 while Alt-Tabbing - it's subtle but cool. >> For simple things like shadows and transparency, that could be done >> independently of the window manager. But for more complicated >> effects, like the task switcher, or being able to animate window >> operations, or flash windows that want attention, or the desktop cube >> thingy, you need tighter integration with the window manager. >=20 > Sigh. I see. I wonder if/when common WMs/DEs will support these things=20 > out of the box (KDE, XFCE and Fluxbox are my favourites :) ) >=20 It depends on how important the WM is to the whole thing, you see.=20 Compiz and its fork, Beryl, work very well with Gnome and KDE because=20 the window manager isn't very important to them - it does very little=20 besides manage windows, while (in Gnome for example) gnome-session and=20 Nautilus do a lot of work as well. There's even a separate program that=20 handles window decorations (gnome-window-decorator in Gnome, kwin I=20 think in KDE). On the other hand, with Fluxbox, Openbox, and similar,=20 the WM is all there is, so it's a big deal to change it. You can't have=20 "Compiz integration in Fluxbox", since they both do the same thing, and=20 will refuse to run at the same time. I have, however, heard rumours of=20 an Openbox clone with some Compiz code spliced into it in initial=20 development... :D > m. Ryan --=20 gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list