[gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Mick]

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Hi All,

I want to access remotely my father in law's laptop which is running WinXP to 
help him out with his IT problems.

I assumed that krdc will do just that, but all it does is to ask me for the 
password for my kdewallet and then it fails.  The error message tells me 
something about ensuring that remote desktop is properly installed.  :-(

Is there somewhere a How-to for me to follow, to be able to connect to a 
remote default installation WinXP PC, with no physical access to it, from my 
Gentoo machine?

Failing a How-to, how do you do it?
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[benedikt]

if you use gnome, then use the remote desktop client 
or use VNC, just install vnc-server on the laptop
emerge --vncviewer on your base

Am Sonntag, den 01.10.2006, 20:55 +0100 schrieb Mick:
> Hi All,
> 
> I want to access remotely my father in law's laptop which is running WinXP to 
> help him out with his IT problems.
> 
> I assumed that krdc will do just that, but all it does is to ask me for the 
> password for my kdewallet and then it fails.  The error message tells me 
> something about ensuring that remote desktop is properly installed.  :-(
> 
> Is there somewhere a How-to for me to follow, to be able to connect to a 
> remote default installation WinXP PC, with no physical access to it, from my 
> Gentoo machine?
> 
> Failing a How-to, how do you do it?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 1 Oct 2006 20:55:13 +0100, Mick wrote:

> I assumed that krdc will do just that, but all it does is to ask me for
> the password for my kdewallet and then it fails.  The error message
> tells me something about ensuring that remote desktop is properly
> installed.  :-(

The exact error message would be helpful. Is the XP machine running a VNC
server and is it visible to the Internet. Does the XP box have a static
IP address and are you trying to connect using the IP address or hostname?

In short, what exactly are you doing and what exactly is happening?


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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Mick]

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On Sunday 01 October 2006 21:04, Daniel Iliev wrote:
> Mick wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I want to access remotely my father in law's laptop which is running
> > WinXP to help him out with his IT problems.
> >
> > I assumed that krdc will do just that, but all it does is to ask me for
> > the password for my kdewallet and then it fails.  The error message tells
> > me something about ensuring that remote desktop is properly installed. 
> > :-(
> >
> > Is there somewhere a How-to for me to follow, to be able to connect to a
> > remote default installation WinXP PC, with no physical access to it, from
> > my Gentoo machine?
> >
> > Failing a How-to, how do you do it?
>
> emerge net-misc/grdesktop

Thank you.  Given that grdesktop is just a gnome front end (equivalent to 
krdc, which I believe requires vnc) are any solutions that work with the 
default WinXP remote desktop/remote assistance set up?
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Daniel Iliev]

Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 01 October 2006 21:04, Daniel Iliev wrote:
>   
>> Mick wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I want to access remotely my father in law's laptop which is running
>>> WinXP to help him out with his IT problems.
>>>
>>> I assumed that krdc will do just that, but all it does is to ask me for
>>> the password for my kdewallet and then it fails.  The error message tells
>>> me something about ensuring that remote desktop is properly installed. 
>>> :-(
>>>
>>> Is there somewhere a How-to for me to follow, to be able to connect to a
>>> remote default installation WinXP PC, with no physical access to it, from
>>> my Gentoo machine?
>>>
>>> Failing a How-to, how do you do it?
>>>       
>> emerge net-misc/grdesktop
>>     
>
> Thank you.  Given that grdesktop is just a gnome front end (equivalent to 
> krdc, which I believe requires vnc) are any solutions that work with the 
> default WinXP remote desktop/remote assistance set up?
>   

No, grdesktop is a front-end for "net-misc/rdesktop" which is an RDP
(Remnote Desktop Protocol) client. This is exactly what you need to
connect to MS WinXP's "Remote Desktop" service. "emerge grdesktop" will
pull rdesktop as a dependency. That's all you need. No Installation of
VNC Server at the Windows computer.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Mick]

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On Sunday 01 October 2006 21:56, Daniel Iliev wrote:
> Mick wrote:

> > Thank you.  Given that grdesktop is just a gnome front end (equivalent to
> > krdc, which I believe requires vnc) are any solutions that work with the
> > default WinXP remote desktop/remote assistance set up?
>
> No, grdesktop is a front-end for "net-misc/rdesktop" which is an RDP
> (Remnote Desktop Protocol) client. This is exactly what you need to
> connect to MS WinXP's "Remote Desktop" service. "emerge grdesktop" will
> pull rdesktop as a dependency. That's all you need. No Installation of
> VNC Server at the Windows computer.

Thanks Daniel, I really like the sound of this, but there's a catch.  I do not 
run Gnome on my machine and grdesktop is of course also pulling in a load of 
Gnome libraries and dependencies.  Is there a non-Gnome grdesktop equivalent?
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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Daniel Iliev]

Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 01 October 2006 21:56, Daniel Iliev wrote:
>   
>> Mick wrote:
>>     
>
>   
>>> Thank you.  Given that grdesktop is just a gnome front end (equivalent to
>>> krdc, which I believe requires vnc) are any solutions that work with the
>>> default WinXP remote desktop/remote assistance set up?
>>>       
>> No, grdesktop is a front-end for "net-misc/rdesktop" which is an RDP
>> (Remnote Desktop Protocol) client. This is exactly what you need to
>> connect to MS WinXP's "Remote Desktop" service. "emerge grdesktop" will
>> pull rdesktop as a dependency. That's all you need. No Installation of
>> VNC Server at the Windows computer.
>>     
>
> Thanks Daniel, I really like the sound of this, but there's a catch.  I do not 
> run Gnome on my machine and grdesktop is of course also pulling in a load of 
> Gnome libraries and dependencies.  Is there a non-Gnome grdesktop equivalent?
>   


Ok, then just "emerge rdesktop" w/o the front-end and start it by typing
"rdesktop" in kterminal or whatever is your favorite X-terminal-emulator.

The basinc syntax is:
"rdesktop "my-father's-pc"

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Mick]

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On Sunday 01 October 2006 22:41, Daniel Iliev wrote:

> Ok, then just "emerge rdesktop" w/o the front-end and start it by typing
> "rdesktop" in kterminal or whatever is your favorite X-terminal-emulator.
>
> The basinc syntax is:
> "rdesktop "my-father's-pc"

Thanks again Daniel,

I have tried to do that with no success.  This is what I'm getting:
=========================================
$ rdesktop 192.168.0.2
ERROR: connect: Connection refused
$ rdesktop -u michael 192.168.0.2
ERROR: connect: Connection refused
$ rdesktop study1     
ERROR: connect: Connection refused
$ rdesktop -u michael 192.168.0.2 -p -
Password: 
ERROR: connect: Connection refused
=========================================

I have disabled the WinXP firewall just in case . . .
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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[gentuxx]

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Mick wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I want to access remotely my father in law's laptop which is running WinXP to 
> help him out with his IT problems.
> 
> I assumed that krdc will do just that, but all it does is to ask me for the 
> password for my kdewallet and then it fails.  The error message tells me 
> something about ensuring that remote desktop is properly installed.  :-(
> 
> Is there somewhere a How-to for me to follow, to be able to connect to a 
> remote default installation WinXP PC, with no physical access to it, from my 
> Gentoo machine?
> 
> Failing a How-to, how do you do it?

Mick,

You first mentioned krdc, I use this all the time.  I *do* use it with
VNC, but had often wondered if it was possible to use the native RDC
feature in WinXP.  So, when you posed your question, I took a quick look.

If you want to use RDP as opposed to VNC, you must specify this in the
address of the host to which you are connecting, like so:

rdp:/mydadsbox.some.isp.com

This should get you going.  You can also bypass kdewallet by
de-selecting that option in the Preferences.

Cheers.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[gentuxx]

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gentuxx wrote:
> Mick wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I want to access remotely my father in law's laptop which is running WinXP to 
>>> help him out with his IT problems.
>>>
>>> I assumed that krdc will do just that, but all it does is to ask me for the 
>>> password for my kdewallet and then it fails.  The error message tells me 
>>> something about ensuring that remote desktop is properly installed.  :-(
>>>
>>> Is there somewhere a How-to for me to follow, to be able to connect to a 
>>> remote default installation WinXP PC, with no physical access to it, from my 
>>> Gentoo machine?
>>>
>>> Failing a How-to, how do you do it?
> 
> Mick,
> 
> You first mentioned krdc, I use this all the time.  I *do* use it with
> VNC, but had often wondered if it was possible to use the native RDC
> feature in WinXP.  So, when you posed your question, I took a quick look.
> 
> If you want to use RDP as opposed to VNC, you must specify this in the
> address of the host to which you are connecting, like so:
> 
> rdp:/mydadsbox.some.isp.com
> 
> This should get you going.  You can also bypass kdewallet by
> de-selecting that option in the Preferences.
> 
> Cheers.
> 

I forgot to state the obvious, in that, the ability to RDP needs to be
enabled on the target WinXP box.  So, in System Properties, go to the
Remote tab, make sure "Allow users to connect to this computer", select
the appropriate users, and click OK.

HTH.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Mick]

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On Monday 02 October 2006 00:23, gentuxx wrote:
> gentuxx wrote:

> I forgot to state the obvious, in that, the ability to RDP needs to be
> enabled on the target WinXP box.  So, in System Properties, go to the
> Remote tab, make sure "Allow users to connect to this computer", select
> the appropriate users, and click OK.

Thank you all for your advice!  I don't think I checked if the server service 
is running on the WinXP box - I remember shutting it down some years ago in 
an effort to increase the security of this OS.  Will look at it again when I 
get home tonight.

Talking about security, is the vnc method the only way to secure this 
communication (for both machines)?  Could there be perhaps ssh tunneling 
established between the two boxen before the rdp protocol kicks in?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Markus Schönhaber]

Mick wrote:
> On Sunday 01 October 2006 22:41, Daniel Iliev wrote:
> > The basinc syntax is:
> > "rdesktop "my-father's-pc"
>
> I have tried to do that with no success.  This is what I'm getting:
> =========================================
> $ rdesktop 192.168.0.2
> ERROR: connect: Connection refused
> $ rdesktop -u michael 192.168.0.2
> ERROR: connect: Connection refused
> $ rdesktop study1
> ERROR: connect: Connection refused
> $ rdesktop -u michael 192.168.0.2 -p -
> Password:
> ERROR: connect: Connection refused
> =========================================
>
> I have disabled the WinXP firewall just in case . . .

You'll also have to enable the remotedesktop service on the windows pc. The 
System settings dialog has a tab "Remote". Check the checkbox in 
the "Remotedesktop" part of the dialog.

Regards
  mks
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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[gentuxx]

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Mick wrote:
> On Monday 02 October 2006 00:23, gentuxx wrote:
>> gentuxx wrote:
> 
>> I forgot to state the obvious, in that, the ability to RDP needs to be
>> enabled on the target WinXP box.  So, in System Properties, go to the
>> Remote tab, make sure "Allow users to connect to this computer", select
>> the appropriate users, and click OK.
> 
> Thank you all for your advice!  I don't think I checked if the server service 
> is running on the WinXP box - I remember shutting it down some years ago in 
> an effort to increase the security of this OS.  Will look at it again when I 
> get home tonight.
> 
> Talking about security, is the vnc method the only way to secure this 
> communication (for both machines)?  Could there be perhaps ssh tunneling 
> established between the two boxen before the rdp protocol kicks in?

I believe the RDP connection is encrypted (using Diffie-Hellman or
whatever algorithm Windows likes these days).  A quick sniff gets what
appears to be a key exchange and then a bunch of gobbledy-gook, so I
think you should be good to go, if you're using RDP (and not VNC).  This
is based on vague recollections, and a quick sniff with wireshark, so,
please, don't take it as gospel.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 03 October 2006 01:26, gentuxx wrote:
> Mick wrote:

> > Talking about security, is the vnc method the only way to secure this
> > communication (for both machines)?  Could there be perhaps ssh tunneling
> > established between the two boxen before the rdp protocol kicks in?
>
> I believe the RDP connection is encrypted (using Diffie-Hellman or
> whatever algorithm Windows likes these days).  A quick sniff gets what
> appears to be a key exchange and then a bunch of gobbledy-gook, so I
> think you should be good to go, if you're using RDP (and not VNC).  This
> is based on vague recollections, and a quick sniff with wireshark, so,
> please, don't take it as gospel.

I fear that I will not be able to use RDP with this particular box.  Some 
years now I locked this WinXP down sooo much that it is now impervious to 
most attempts to connect to it.  I tried to retrace my steps through the 
gpedit.msc and the registry but I can't reset everything to the wide-open 
M$Windows defaults.  I could of course reinstall WinXP, but this would be a 
waste of my time - perhaps I could convince my wife to do it instead ;-)

So, I will now try ssh+vnc which should hopefully work.

BTW, I tried rdesktop with another box (work's laptop) to prove that there was 
nothing wrong with my Gentoo box and it worked as you described - except that 
when the remote terminal launched an error said something like: "The 
administrator does not allow interactive logins".  It seems that my work's 
SysAdmins have locked this laptop down, but not as insanely as I did with my 
WinXP box.

Thank you all for your help.
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Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Mick]

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On Sunday 01 October 2006 21:00, benedikt wrote:
> if you use gnome, then use the remote desktop client
> or use VNC, just install vnc-server on the laptop
> emerge --vncviewer on your base

Hmm, there is no package called vncviewer in portage.  Did you mean emerge 
vnc, which will emerge both server & client?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Sigi Schwartz]

Jose Maria Alvarez Fernandez wrote:
> Krdc works with vnc or rdesktop, so there shouldn't be a problem.
I beg to differ. Tried krdc last night when I read about it here. It
connected to my VNCserver on my WinXP-box alright and everything seemed
fine. After a few minutes (the screensaver on WinXP already got
activated) my Xserver didn't react on any mouse input anymore. Even
killing krdc didn't help.

Well, I don't know what exactly was the problem, but something like that
never happend with vncviewer (from net-misc/vnc; running stable ever
since I started using it) or any other program. So, for VNC-connections
I would recommend vncviewer.

Cheers,
Sigi
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RE: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Timothy A. Holmes]

> On Sunday 01 October 2006 21:04, Daniel Iliev wrote:
> > Mick wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I want to access remotely my father in law's laptop which 
> is running 
> > > WinXP to help him out with his IT problems.
> > >
> > > I assumed that krdc will do just that, but all it does is 
> to ask me 
> > > for the password for my kdewallet and then it fails.  The error 
> > > message tells me something about ensuring that remote 
> desktop is properly installed.
> > > :-(
> > >
> > > Is there somewhere a How-to for me to follow, to be able 
> to connect 
> > > to a remote default installation WinXP PC, with no 
> physical access 
> > > to it, from my Gentoo machine?
> > >
> > > Failing a How-to, how do you do it?
> >
> > emerge net-misc/grdesktop
> 
> Thank you.  Given that grdesktop is just a gnome front end 
> (equivalent to krdc, which I believe requires vnc) are any 
> solutions that work with the default WinXP remote 
> desktop/remote assistance set up?
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
> 


I go from my gentoo laptop running fluxbox to all sorts of different
computers running windows RDP constantly -- I use KRDC.  When it fails
on the wallet, just ok it and you should get the windows login screen
anyway --I would say the bigger problem is his connection to the
internet.  It is LIKELY that his ISP does not have those ports open, for
inbound (a way to get more money) that is the way our ISP here is - I
cant even get NTP through :(

Contact me off list if you need more help -- it works slick for me

TIM


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RE: [gentoo-user] Remote desktop to WinXP from Gentoo

[Timothy A. Holmes]

> On Sunday 01 October 2006 22:41, Daniel Iliev wrote:
> 
> > Ok, then just "emerge rdesktop" w/o the front-end and start it by 
> > typing "rdesktop" in kterminal or whatever is your favorite 
> X-terminal-emulator.
> >
> > The basinc syntax is:
> > "rdesktop "my-father's-pc"
> 
> Thanks again Daniel,
> 
> I have tried to do that with no success.  This is what I'm getting:
> =========================================
> $ rdesktop 192.168.0.2
> ERROR: connect: Connection refused
> $ rdesktop -u michael 192.168.0.2
> ERROR: connect: Connection refused
> $ rdesktop study1     
> ERROR: connect: Connection refused
> $ rdesktop -u michael 192.168.0.2 -p -
> Password: 
> ERROR: connect: Connection refused
> =========================================
> 
> I have disabled the WinXP firewall just in case . . .
> --
> Regards,
> Mick
> 


> 

That looks and smells a great deal like your father in laws isp has the
ports blocked

TIM

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