[gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Alan McKinnon]

Hi,

I decided to purge Gnome from my system as I seldom run it. A 
quick look in the gnome ebuild shows that it's a 
ginormous -meta package, meaning I have some work ahead of me.

First I updated USE and removed gnome, gstreamer and other 
gnome-related flags. I left gtk in for the likes of gimp which 
I do use. Then manually unmerged a ton of gnome packages, 
intending to finish up with 'emerge --depclean' 
and 'revdep-rebuild' to fix the mistakes I'd made.

Imagine my surprise when remerging openoffice wants to pull in 
half of gnome again. I can understand it needs gtk, I do not 
understand why it wants evolution-data-server, gconf and 
gnome-panel. 

I know how to fix this, that's not my question. My question is 
why on earth does an office suite depend on half a desktop 
environment? And is there a (relatively) easy way to get my 
system back to the state it would be in if I had always 
had -gnome in USE all along?

alan
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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:01, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> I decided to purge Gnome from my system as I seldom run it. A
> quick look in the gnome ebuild shows that it's a
> ginormous -meta package, meaning I have some work ahead of me.
>
> First I updated USE and removed gnome, gstreamer and other
> gnome-related flags. I left gtk in for the likes of gimp which
> I do use.

gimp doesn't require the gtk use flag globally. The only thing it needs to be 
compiled with the gtk use flag is app-text/poppler-bindings. The only 
packages that I have compiled with gtk are app-text/poppler-bindings, 
app-editors/gvim and net-analyzer/wireshark.

> Then manually unmerged a ton of gnome packages, 
> intending to finish up with 'emerge --depclean'
> and 'revdep-rebuild' to fix the mistakes I'd made.

An easier approach here might be to just edit /var/lib/portage/world manually 
and remove the gnome etc. apps that you are no longer interested in and let 
emerge --depclean -va do it's job...

> Imagine my surprise when remerging openoffice wants to pull in
> half of gnome again. I can understand it needs gtk, I do not
> understand why it wants evolution-data-server, gconf and
> gnome-panel.

Add "-eds" to your use flags. openoffice doesn't wan't a single gnome app on 
my computer so if it still wants some it because of some use flag...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:12, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote:

> gimp doesn't require the gtk use flag globally. The only
> thing it needs to be compiled with the gtk use flag is
> app-text/poppler-bindings. The only packages that I have
> compiled with gtk are app-text/poppler-bindings,
> app-editors/gvim and net-analyzer/wireshark.

That's good info, thanks

> > Then manually unmerged a ton of gnome packages,
> > intending to finish up with 'emerge --depclean'
> > and 'revdep-rebuild' to fix the mistakes I'd made.
>
> An easier approach here might be to just edit
> /var/lib/portage/world manually and remove the gnome etc.
> apps that you are no longer interested in and let emerge
> --depclean -va do it's job...

You're right, this would have been much easier, I'll keep it in 
mind for next time (if there is a next time!)

> > Imagine my surprise when remerging openoffice wants to pull
> > in half of gnome again. I can understand it needs gtk, I do
> > not understand why it wants evolution-data-server, gconf
> > and gnome-panel.
>
> Add "-eds" to your use flags. openoffice doesn't wan't a
> single gnome app on my computer so if it still wants some it
> because of some use flag...

Yeah, like I said to Etaoin, I'd stupidly parsed that 
as 'esd'...

alan


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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 13:01:10 +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> First I updated USE and removed gnome, gstreamer and other 
> gnome-related flags. I left gtk in for the likes of gimp which 
> I do use.

GTK is not option for Gimp, so it doesn't use the gtk USE flag.

> Imagine my surprise when remerging openoffice wants to pull in 
> half of gnome again. I can understand it needs gtk, I do not 
> understand why it wants evolution-data-server, gconf and 
> gnome-panel. 

Remove eds from USE.

"emerge --tree --verbose openoffice" will help.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:01, Alan McKinnon wrote:

> Imagine my surprise when remerging openoffice wants to pull in
> half of gnome again. I can understand it needs gtk, I do not
> understand why it wants evolution-data-server, gconf and
> gnome-panel.

Not sure (I don't use gnome nor openoffice), but I think it's the eds USE 
flag that wants to pull evolution-data-server in. Doing a

USE="-eds" emerge -pv openoffice

doesn't list evolution-data-server as a dependency. 

sorry, don't know about gnome-panel.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Alan McKinnon]

On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:36, Etaoin Shrdlu wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:01, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Imagine my surprise when remerging openoffice wants to pull
> > in half of gnome again. I can understand it needs gtk, I do
> > not understand why it wants evolution-data-server, gconf
> > and gnome-panel.
>
> Not sure (I don't use gnome nor openoffice), but I think it's
> the eds USE flag that wants to pull evolution-data-server in.
> Doing a
>
> USE="-eds" emerge -pv openoffice
>
> doesn't list evolution-data-server as a dependency.

So right now the score is 
stupidity:1 alan:0

I'd looked at the flags for a good three minutes and somehow 
managed to translate eds into esd in my head...

Thanks, this was one quick answer that I *really* needed!

alan
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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:50, Philip Webb wrote:
> I also get
>
>   equery depends evolution-data-server
>   [ Searching for packages depending on evolution-data-server... ]
>   app-office/openoffice-2.0.3
>
> So it looks as if OO may have its own reasons for demanding e-d-s .

No, it just looks like equery is broken. It doesn't care about your use 
flags...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Philip Webb]

060912 Bo ?rsted Andresen wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:50, Philip Webb wrote:
>> I also get
>>   equery depends evolution-data-server
>>   [ Searching for packages depending on evolution-data-server... ]
>>   app-office/openoffice-2.0.3
>> So it looks as if OO may have its own reasons for demanding e-d-s .
> No, it just looks like equery is broken.
> It doesn't care about your use flags...

Equery is broken ??  Have you filed a bug ... (raises eyebrows) ?

The Openoffice ebuild has

  IUSE="binfilter cairo eds firefox gnome gtk java kde ldap mono odk pam xml"

& lower down

  RDEPEND=" ... eds? ( >=gnome-extra/evolution-data-server-1.2 ) ... "

Perhaps that overrides my settings in  /etc/make.conf
& one has to say explicitly

  USE="-eds"

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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Tuesday 12 September 2006 15:37, Philip Webb wrote:
> > No, it just looks like equery is broken.
> > It doesn't care about your use flags...
>
> Equery is broken ??  Have you filed a bug ... (raises eyebrows) ?

No, I usually don't file duplicates on purpose. Is it really so hard to search 
bugzilla?

http://tinyurl.com/zhydm

> The Openoffice ebuild has
>
>   IUSE="binfilter cairo eds firefox gnome gtk java kde ldap mono odk pam
> xml"
>
> & lower down
>
>   RDEPEND=" ... eds? ( >=gnome-extra/evolution-data-server-1.2 ) ... "

Which means if the eds use flag is set it depends on 
>=evolution-data-server-1.2 at runtime.

> Perhaps that overrides my settings in  /etc/make.conf
> & one has to say explicitly
>
>   USE="-eds"

Overrides?? It doesn't! If you still don't believe me try:

# emerge -pve openoffice

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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Dale]

Alan McKinnon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I decided to purge Gnome from my system as I seldom run it. A 
> quick look in the gnome ebuild shows that it's a 
> ginormous -meta package, meaning I have some work ahead of me.
>
> First I updated USE and removed gnome, gstreamer and other 
> gnome-related flags. I left gtk in for the likes of gimp which 
> I do use. Then manually unmerged a ton of gnome packages, 
> intending to finish up with 'emerge --depclean' 
> and 'revdep-rebuild' to fix the mistakes I'd made.
>
> Imagine my surprise when remerging openoffice wants to pull in 
> half of gnome again. I can understand it needs gtk, I do not 
> understand why it wants evolution-data-server, gconf and 
> gnome-panel. 
>
> I know how to fix this, that's not my question. My question is 
> why on earth does an office suite depend on half a desktop 
> environment? And is there a (relatively) easy way to get my 
> system back to the state it would be in if I had always 
> had -gnome in USE all along?
>
> alan
>   

If this helps any, I have never had Gnome installed and have this:

> root@smoker / # equery list gnome
> [ Searching for package 'gnome' in all categories among: ]
>  * installed packages
> [I--] [  ] dev-cpp/gnome-vfsmm-2.6.1 (1.1)
> [I--] [  ] dev-cpp/libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.1 (2.6)
> [I--] [  ] dev-cpp/libgnomemm-2.6.0 (2.6)
> [I--] [  ] dev-cpp/libgnomeuimm-2.6.0 (2.6)
> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-common-1.2.4-r4 (2)
> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.9 (0)
> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-libs-1.4.2 (1)
> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2 (0)
> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-print-0.37 (0)
> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-1.0.5-r4 (1)
> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.14.2-r1 (2)
> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.14.1 (0)
> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.14.0 (0)
> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnomeprint-2.12.1 (2.2)
> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnomeprintui-2.12.1 (2.2)
> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.14.1 (0)
> [I--] [  ] net-print/libgnomecups-0.2.0 (0)
> [I--] [  ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.14.2 (0)
> [I--] [  ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.14.2 (0)
> root@smoker / #  

My USE line is this:

> USE="acl acpi alsa amd arts artswrappersuid automount browserplugin
> bzip2 cdr chroot crypt dbus doc dvd dvdr esd exif fdftk -firefox gaim
> gcj gif gimp gimpprint gkrellm -gnome gphoto2 gtk hal hbci ipv6 java
> javascript jbig jpeg jpeg2k justify kde mmx mp3 nsplugin ofx offensive
> opengl -oss postgres ppds qt3 qt4 samba scanner seamonkey sqlite sse
> syslog tcltk tiff tk truetype udev usb win32codecs wmf X xmms xml
> xprint yahoo 3dnow "


May be able to "cheat" a little and get rid of some more though.

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Mick]

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On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:02, Dale wrote:
> Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I decided to purge Gnome from my system as I seldom run it. A
> > quick look in the gnome ebuild shows that it's a
> > ginormous -meta package, meaning I have some work ahead of me.
> >
> > First I updated USE and removed gnome, gstreamer and other
> > gnome-related flags. I left gtk in for the likes of gimp which
> > I do use. Then manually unmerged a ton of gnome packages,
> > intending to finish up with 'emerge --depclean'
> > and 'revdep-rebuild' to fix the mistakes I'd made.
> >
> > Imagine my surprise when remerging openoffice wants to pull in
> > half of gnome again. I can understand it needs gtk, I do not
> > understand why it wants evolution-data-server, gconf and
> > gnome-panel.
> >
> > I know how to fix this, that's not my question. My question is
> > why on earth does an office suite depend on half a desktop
> > environment? And is there a (relatively) easy way to get my
> > system back to the state it would be in if I had always
> > had -gnome in USE all along?
> >
> > alan
>
> If this helps any, I have never had Gnome installed and have this:
> > root@smoker / # equery list gnome
> > [ Searching for package 'gnome' in all categories among: ]
> >  * installed packages
> > [I--] [  ] dev-cpp/gnome-vfsmm-2.6.1 (1.1)
> > [I--] [  ] dev-cpp/libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.1 (2.6)
> > [I--] [  ] dev-cpp/libgnomemm-2.6.0 (2.6)
> > [I--] [  ] dev-cpp/libgnomeuimm-2.6.0 (2.6)
> > [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-common-1.2.4-r4 (2)
> > [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.9 (0)
> > [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-libs-1.4.2 (1)
> > [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2 (0)
> > [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-print-0.37 (0)
> > [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-1.0.5-r4 (1)
> > [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.14.2-r1 (2)
> > [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.14.1 (0)
> > [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.14.0 (0)
> > [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnomeprint-2.12.1 (2.2)
> > [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnomeprintui-2.12.1 (2.2)
> > [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.14.1 (0)
> > [I--] [  ] net-print/libgnomecups-0.2.0 (0)
> > [I--] [  ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.14.2 (0)
> > [I--] [  ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.14.2 (0)
> > root@smoker / #
>
> My USE line is this:
> > USE="acl acpi alsa amd arts artswrappersuid automount browserplugin
> > bzip2 cdr chroot crypt dbus doc dvd dvdr esd exif fdftk -firefox gaim
> > gcj gif gimp gimpprint gkrellm -gnome gphoto2 gtk hal hbci ipv6 java
> > javascript jbig jpeg jpeg2k justify kde mmx mp3 nsplugin ofx offensive
> > opengl -oss postgres ppds qt3 qt4 samba scanner seamonkey sqlite sse
> > syslog tcltk tiff tk truetype udev usb win32codecs wmf X xmms xml
> > xprint yahoo 3dnow "
>
> May be able to "cheat" a little and get rid of some more though.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
With these USE flags in place I do not have gnome on my system:

-eds -esd -gnome -gtk 

Proof:
================================================
# equery l gnome
[ Searching for package 'gnome' in all categories among: ]
 * installed packages
# 
================================================
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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> On Tuesday 12 September 2006 13:02, Dale wrote:
>   
>> Alan McKinnon wrote:
>>     
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I decided to purge Gnome from my system as I seldom run it. A
>>> quick look in the gnome ebuild shows that it's a
>>> ginormous -meta package, meaning I have some work ahead of me.
>>>
>>> First I updated USE and removed gnome, gstreamer and other
>>> gnome-related flags. I left gtk in for the likes of gimp which
>>> I do use. Then manually unmerged a ton of gnome packages,
>>> intending to finish up with 'emerge --depclean'
>>> and 'revdep-rebuild' to fix the mistakes I'd made.
>>>
>>> Imagine my surprise when remerging openoffice wants to pull in
>>> half of gnome again. I can understand it needs gtk, I do not
>>> understand why it wants evolution-data-server, gconf and
>>> gnome-panel.
>>>
>>> I know how to fix this, that's not my question. My question is
>>> why on earth does an office suite depend on half a desktop
>>> environment? And is there a (relatively) easy way to get my
>>> system back to the state it would be in if I had always
>>> had -gnome in USE all along?
>>>
>>> alan
>>>       
>> If this helps any, I have never had Gnome installed and have this:
>>     
>>> root@smoker / # equery list gnome
>>> [ Searching for package 'gnome' in all categories among: ]
>>>  * installed packages
>>> [I--] [  ] dev-cpp/gnome-vfsmm-2.6.1 (1.1)
>>> [I--] [  ] dev-cpp/libgnomecanvasmm-2.6.1 (2.6)
>>> [I--] [  ] dev-cpp/libgnomemm-2.6.0 (2.6)
>>> [I--] [  ] dev-cpp/libgnomeuimm-2.6.0 (2.6)
>>> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-common-1.2.4-r4 (2)
>>> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-keyring-0.4.9 (0)
>>> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-libs-1.4.2 (1)
>>> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-mime-data-2.4.2 (0)
>>> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-print-0.37 (0)
>>> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-1.0.5-r4 (1)
>>> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/gnome-vfs-2.14.2-r1 (2)
>>> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnome-2.14.1 (0)
>>> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnomecanvas-2.14.0 (0)
>>> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnomeprint-2.12.1 (2.2)
>>> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnomeprintui-2.12.1 (2.2)
>>> [I--] [  ] gnome-base/libgnomeui-2.14.1 (0)
>>> [I--] [  ] net-print/libgnomecups-0.2.0 (0)
>>> [I--] [  ] x11-themes/gnome-icon-theme-2.14.2 (0)
>>> [I--] [  ] x11-themes/gnome-themes-2.14.2 (0)
>>> root@smoker / #
>>>       
>> My USE line is this:
>>     
>>> USE="acl acpi alsa amd arts artswrappersuid automount browserplugin
>>> bzip2 cdr chroot crypt dbus doc dvd dvdr esd exif fdftk -firefox gaim
>>> gcj gif gimp gimpprint gkrellm -gnome gphoto2 gtk hal hbci ipv6 java
>>> javascript jbig jpeg jpeg2k justify kde mmx mp3 nsplugin ofx offensive
>>> opengl -oss postgres ppds qt3 qt4 samba scanner seamonkey sqlite sse
>>> syslog tcltk tiff tk truetype udev usb win32codecs wmf X xmms xml
>>> xprint yahoo 3dnow "
>>>       
>> May be able to "cheat" a little and get rid of some more though.
>>
>> Dale
>>
>> :-)  :-)
>>     
> With these USE flags in place I do not have gnome on my system:
>
> -eds -esd -gnome -gtk 
>
> Proof:
> ================================================
> # equery l gnome
> [ Searching for package 'gnome' in all categories among: ]
>  * installed packages
> # 
> ================================================
>   

Cool.  I need to mark this one important so I can find it again.  Do you
notice anything missing like in OOo, Mozilla/Seamonkey or anything like
that??

Dale

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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Alan McKinnon]

On Wednesday 13 September 2006 06:27, Dale wrote:
> > With these USE flags in place I do not have gnome on my
> > system:
> >
> > -eds -esd -gnome -gtk
> >
> > Proof:
> > ================================================
> > # equery l gnome
> > [ Searching for package 'gnome' in all categories among: ]
> >  * installed packages
> > #
> > ================================================
> >  
>
> Cool.  I need to mark this one important so I can find it
> again.  Do you notice anything missing like in OOo,
> Mozilla/Seamonkey or anything like that??

FWIW I've now gotten my system much closer to where I want it, 
with the same 4 USE flags removed. The only packages still left 
with some remnant of gnome in them are seamonkey, firefox, 
openoffice and xine-lib, all of which I know function just fine 
without gnome. Big compiles so I'm saving them for the weekend

alan

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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Mick]

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On Wednesday 13 September 2006 05:27, Dale wrote:
> Mick wrote:

> > With these USE flags in place I do not have gnome on my system:
> >
> > -eds -esd -gnome -gtk
> >
> > Proof:
> > ================================================
> > # equery l gnome
> > [ Searching for package 'gnome' in all categories among: ]
> >  * installed packages
> > #
> > ================================================
>
> Cool.  I need to mark this one important so I can find it again.  Do you
> notice anything missing like in OOo, Mozilla/Seamonkey or anything like
> that??

Nothing that is apparent from the small exposure that I have had to the Gnome 
DE (mostly on FreeBSD).  If you prefer the GTK2 icons on OOo instead of KDE 
you can specify that in your .bashrc and OOo will be launched with the 
desired GUI.

PS. I have not used Seamonkey so far, but Mozilla suite and FF look and behave 
identically (both with source compiles and bin ebuilds).
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Re: [gentoo-user] Purging Gnome from the system

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 September 2006 05:27, Dale wrote:
>> Cool.  I need to mark this one important so I can find it again.  Do you
>> notice anything missing like in OOo, Mozilla/Seamonkey or anything like
>> that??
>>     
>
> Nothing that is apparent from the small exposure that I have had to the Gnome 
> DE (mostly on FreeBSD).  If you prefer the GTK2 icons on OOo instead of KDE 
> you can specify that in your .bashrc and OOo will be launched with the 
> desired GUI.
>
> PS. I have not used Seamonkey so far, but Mozilla suite and FF look and behave 
> identically (both with source compiles and bin ebuilds).
>   


Thanks for the info.  I may need to do a little house cleaning myself. 
I just finished my new install on another hard drive, with some Gnome of
course.  :-(

Dale

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