[gentoo-user] Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[gentoo-user] Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[reader]

I'm seeing stuff on line that indicates it is now possible to write to
ntfs formated disk from linux (at least semi-reliably).

I'd like to delete a few directories and files that the windows xp OS
sees as `system files' and will not allow them to be deleted.

They are duplicates of other system files but with differnt extension.
In this case *.windows.  They are the result of doing a  reinstall
without reformating the drive.

I'm pretty sure no harm will result by deleting them and it will make
things a little less of PITA when running windows for video related
work.

It's not worth going to extreme lengths to do this but if there is a
`knoppix' sort of distro out there with this ability, or I can do it
from my gentoo install or even a live gentoo disk, with out great
painfull striving, I'd like to try it.

Can anyone guide me on this?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[Thierry de Coulon]

On Wednesday 09 August 2006 06:03, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> I'm seeing stuff on line that indicates it is now possible to write to
> ntfs formated disk from linux (at least semi-reliably).
>
> I'd like to delete a few directories and files that the windows xp OS
> sees as `system files' and will not allow them to be deleted.
(...)
>
> Can anyone guide me on this?

AFAIK because it's "semi-reliable" most (every?) distribution does not 
activate write acces on NTFS.

I do also have a Windows installation for Video Processing. I went another way 
and purchased xplite (www.litepc.com) that gives you access to many more 
control than just deleting system files.

Note that I imagine that most things could be managed if we knew what to 
change where in the registry, but I don't want to digg into that.

Thierry

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[Alexander Skwar]

reader@newsguy.com schrieb:
> I'm seeing stuff on line that indicates it is now possible to write to
> ntfs formated disk from linux

Yes. It's called ntfs3g. There's an ebuild for it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[Peter Ruskin]

On Wednesday 09 August 2006 06:41, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> reader@newsguy.com schrieb:
> > I'm seeing stuff on line that indicates it is now possible to
> > write to ntfs formated disk from linux
>
> Yes. It's called ntfs3g. There's an ebuild for it.
>
Thanks for that tip, Alexander - it works well here.

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[gentoo-user] Re: Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[reader]

Peter Ruskin <peter.ruskin@dsl.pipex.com> writes:

>> Yes. It's called ntfs3g. There's an ebuild for it.
>>
> Thanks for that tip, Alexander - it works well here.

Peter or Alexander, can you give a few details of what you are able to
do with it?

Can I put that on a live CD and boot with the cd, then be able to
mount an ntfs disk and write to it?  

Or does anyone know if any of the Live CDs `knoppix' style have this
tool on board?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[Peter Ruskin]

On Wednesday 09 August 2006 16:14, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> Peter Ruskin <peter.ruskin@dsl.pipex.com> writes:
> >> Yes. It's called ntfs3g. There's an ebuild for it.
> >
> > Thanks for that tip, Alexander - it works well here.
>
> Peter or Alexander, can you give a few details of what you are
> able to do with it?
>
> Can I put that on a live CD and boot with the cd, then be able to
> mount an ntfs disk and write to it?
>
> Or does anyone know if any of the Live CDs `knoppix' style have
> this tool on board?

I don't know the answer to that.  I use it like this:  I 
added "fuse" to /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 and modified 
my /etc/fstab like this:

/dev/sda2 /mnt/win/c ntfs-3g
	umask=0,users,no_def_opts,show_sys_files,nonempty 0 0

man ntfs-3g for help

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[Alexander Skwar]

reader@newsguy.com schrieb:
> Peter Ruskin <peter.ruskin@dsl.pipex.com> writes:
> 
>>> Yes. It's called ntfs3g. There's an ebuild for it.
>>>
>> Thanks for that tip, Alexander - it works well here.
> 
> Peter or Alexander, can you give a few details of what you are able to
> do with it?

I don't use it - I just read about it.

> Can I put that on a live CD and boot with the cd, then be able to
> mount an ntfs disk and write to it?  

Yes, you should be able to do so. The great thing is, that you
don't need no Windows libraries, in contrast to the "Captive
approach". And you're able to write to NTFS.

> Or does anyone know if any of the Live CDs `knoppix' style have this
> tool on board?

ntfs3g is *VERY* *VERY* new. I don't think that a "knoppix style"
CD already has it. But I *bet*, that they'll have it quite soon.

Alexander Skwar
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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[Gian Domeni Calgeer]

> > Or does anyone know if any of the Live CDs `knoppix' style have this
> > tool on board?
>
> ntfs3g is *VERY* *VERY* new. I don't think that a "knoppix style"
> CD already has it. But I *bet*, that they'll have it quite soon.

Hi

On 
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=29233640&forum_id=2697 
Szakacsits Szabolcs mentions a LiveCD called Puppy which has ntfs-3g 
installed. See 
http://www.puppyos.net/. I haven't tried it, though.

Gian
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[gentoo-user] Re: Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[Harry Putnam]

Gian Domeni Calgeer <gidoca@gmx.ch> writes:

>> > Or does anyone know if any of the Live CDs `knoppix' style have this
>> > tool on board?
>>
>> ntfs3g is *VERY* *VERY* new. I don't think that a "knoppix style"
>> CD already has it. But I *bet*, that they'll have it quite soon.
>
> Hi
>
> On 
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=29233640&forum_id=2697 
> Szakacsits Szabolcs mentions a LiveCD called Puppy which has ntfs-3g 
> installed. See 
> http://www.puppyos.net/. I haven't tried it, though.

PS a not to Alexander below this quote:

Looking thru those pages a bit I find that puppys support ntfs is a
system where it creates a file and then can write only inside that
file.  ie, no ability to freely write to ntfs, like create/delete files.

http://www.puppyos.com/faq.htm
Q: NTFS partition
I have Windows XP installed on my computer, and the hard drive is partitioned with a single NTFS partition. When I boot up with the Puppy live-CD, the "home" file is not created on /root, so I can't have any permanent storage. Why doesn't Puppy work with NTFS?

A:

When the live-CD boots up, Puppy looks for a vfat, ext2/3 or reiserfs
partition, in that order, and if found creates a 256M file on it,
named "pup001". This file is actually a complete ext2 filesystem, and
Puppy mounts this on /root, and it becomes your home folder and keeps
all your personal files and settings. This is a very safe technique
and is unlikely to mess up your hard drive as no partitions are being
created or modified, just a file created.

Anyway, this technique has a problem when it comes to NTFS. Linux
support for NTFS is not yet complete, and currently an NTFS partition
can be mounted read-only but not written (safely) to. When Puppy boots
up, if he can't find a vfat, ext2/3 or reiserfs partition, he gives up
and only uses the ramdisk.

HOWEVER, Puppy version 0.9.7+ does have limited NTFS write
support. That is, the Linux NTFS driver can safely write to a file if
it already exists, but cannot safely create or resize a file.

SOLUTION: bootup Windows XP, download pup001.zip from the Puppy download site, unzip it (and you will then have a single file called pup001) and move it to C:\ (the top-level in the C: drive). Now reboot the Puppy live-CD and Puppy will use the pre-existing pup001 file as your home data file. Simple!
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Alexander, Do you know if the system described above is what ntfs-g3
does too?

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[gentoo-user] Re: Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:

> Alexander, Do you know if the system described above is what ntfs-g3
> does too?

One could never determine something that basic from the man page
supplied with it.  After reading it, I still know nothing about how it
works. 

With a disk mounted under this tool can one simply say 
`echo data >file' and  `file' appears and can be edited?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[Alexander Skwar]

Harry Putnam wrote:
> Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:
> 
>> Alexander, Do you know if the system described above is what ntfs-g3
>> does too?
> 
> One could never determine something that basic from the man page
> supplied with it.  After reading it, I still know nothing about how it
> works. 
> 
> With a disk mounted under this tool can one simply say 
> `echo data >file' and  `file' appears and can be edited?

With "this tool", you mean ntfs-3g?

If so, then yes, creating files and "resizing" (ie. making them
larger or smaller) should be possible, according to what I read.
I haven't checked this, as I don't have NTFS file systems on my
Linux boxes ;)

Alexander Skwar
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[reader]

Alexander Skwar <listen@alexander.skwar.name> writes:

>> Alexander, Do you know if the system described above is what ntfs-g3
>> does too?
>
> I don't understatnd the question. Can you phrase it differently?

First, sorry this got somewhat disjointed.

I think you may have already ansered what I wanted to know but for the
sake of clarity.

The `puppy' live cd described in my quotation says it can create a
file on ntfs and this write withing that space.  In other words it
isn't normal read/write as we normally think of it.

My question to you was if ntfs-g3 can read/write in a normal way to
ntfs.  That is could one do:
   echo data >file

and then
   rm -f file

or vim file <edit> <save> in the normal way?

I think you've already said you think it can.  I was unable to tell
from the man page installed with ntfs-g3 and wanted to know for sure
before getting myself into a bind.
 
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[reader]

reader@newsguy.com writes:

Yikes ... looks like my literacy level is greviously low..

> First, sorry this got somewhat disjointed.
>
> I think you may have already ansered what I wanted to know but for the
> sake of clarity.
>
> The `puppy' live cd described in my quotation says it can create a
> file on ntfs and this write withing that space.  In other words it
> isn't normal read/write as we normally think of it.

That gibberish above should say:

The `Puppy' live CD described in my quotation in earlier post, says it
can create a file on ntfs and THEN write WITHIN that space.  In other
words it isn't normal read/write as we normally think of it.

> My question to you was if ntfs-g3 can read/write in a normal way to
> ntfs.  That is could one do:
>    echo data >file
>
> and then
>    rm -f file
>
> or vim file <edit> <save> in the normal way?
>
> I think you've already said you think it can.  I was unable to tell
> from the man page installed with ntfs-3g, and wanted to know for sure
> before getting myself into a bind.



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Mount and write ntfs (natively)

[Peter Ruskin]

On Thursday 10 August 2006 20:16, reader@newsguy.com wrote:
> My question to you was if ntfs-g3 can read/write in a normal way
> to ntfs.  That is could one do:
>    echo data >file
>
> and then
>    rm -f file
>
> or vim file <edit> <save> in the normal way?

Yes, ntfs-g3 can do all that - I just tried it.

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