[gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Ralph Slooten]

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Hiya,

For the last 2 years I have been archiving structurally all my
gentoo-user mails I have received into MySQL. In the last few months I
have noticed that I have been receiving more and more broken threads
(In-Reply-To and References), indicating missing mails from those threads.

At present I use gmail to receive the mail which is then downloaded via
fetchmail to my imap server. Recently I added the
gmane.linux.gentoo.user newsgroup to my thunderbird to make some
comparisons between that I am receiving and what they are receiving. To
my surprise I am missing between 1 and 4 messages per thread (of more
than let's say 10 messages).

It is not a threading problem, and not a pop3 problem ~ I can confirm
that what I have in gmail is what I have locally.

To give some examples of totals in some larger threads over the last
couple of days:

Subject							Local	gmane
"Kde menu"						11	12
"MythTV vs. Gentoo VDR"					9	10
"PORTAGE_ELOG error"					24	28
"strange [ file"					27	31
"can't install ati-drivers"				13	16
"How packages becomes stable?"				8	9
"Unable to mount root fs on uknown - block (0,0)"	14	17

I have confirmed that that I have locally is exactly what I have in
gmail, so the problem is not local, and they are not caught anywhere in
gmail's spam filters.

What I am trying to work out if if it's just me having an issue with
gmail (which I will confront the gmail team there about), or if the
gentoo-user mailing server is skipping addresses or having issues
sending. Tracing mail logs over a few days to check threads can be a
painfully annoying job ;-)

I am subscribed to other lists too which I seem to be having absolutely
no problems with, although they are somewhat less active than the
gentoo-user one.

Are any of you (gmail or not) having the same problem? What is the
correct way to go about locating and confronting this issue?

Thanks for any advise.
Ralph

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Hans-Werner Hilse]

Hi,

On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:40:03 +0200 Ralph Slooten <axllent@gmail.com>
wrote:

> What I am trying to work out if if it's just me having an issue with
> gmail (which I will confront the gmail team there about), or if the
> gentoo-user mailing server is skipping addresses or having issues
> sending. Tracing mail logs over a few days to check threads can be a
> painfully annoying job ;-)
> 
> I am subscribed to other lists too which I seem to be having
> absolutely no problems with, although they are somewhat less active
> than the gentoo-user one.
> 
> Are any of you (gmail or not) having the same problem? What is the
> correct way to go about locating and confronting this issue?

I'm seeing the same. The amount of missing mails doesn't qualify for
"lots", but I'm missing some. I first noticed about 3 weeks ago, and I
thought I have seen a few notices by others on this list that they miss
this or that mail, too. Infrastructure problems, I think, but on
gentoo's end.

-hwh
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:08:41 +0200, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:

> I'm seeing the same. The amount of missing mails doesn't qualify for
> "lots", but I'm missing some.

I see the same. I've seen quite a few replies to mails I never received.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Ralph Slooten]

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Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:08:41 +0200, Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:
> 
>> I'm seeing the same. The amount of missing mails doesn't qualify for
>> "lots", but I'm missing some.

When several mails on a daily basis continue to "go missing", over a
period of weeks, I call that lots. If each mail missing was a nut or
bolt used to put together your car (or in my case archive them
accordingly in a database), it becomes "lots" ;-)

> I see the same. I've seen quite a few replies to mails I never received.

Yes, this is what first caught my eye, the secondly being the software I
wrote not positively finding threads, and now and then not finding the
first message to the new thread (as Neil writes above).

The strange thing is gmane seems to be receiving all the mail, or at
least 99% of it ~ so why gmane and not us?




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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Alexander Skwar]

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:

> I am not missing any mails.

How did you verify?

Alexander Skwar
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Uwe Thiem]

On 27 July 2006 13:42, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > I am not missing any mails.
>
> How did you verify?

Since he isn't seeing them, he doesn't miss them. ;-)

Uwe

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Ralph Slooten]

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Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> 
>> I am not missing any mails.

Funny you should mention this..... I miss yours! I have Alexander's
reply to yours, but not yours. This is getting really bad.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Andrew Frink]

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On 7/27/06, Ralph Slooten <axllent@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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> Hiya,
>
> For the last 2 years I have been archiving structurally all my
> gentoo-user mails I have received into MySQL. In the last few months I
> have noticed that I have been receiving more and more broken threads
> (In-Reply-To and References), indicating missing mails from those threads.
>
> At present I use gmail to receive the mail which is then downloaded via
> fetchmail to my imap server. Recently I added the
> gmane.linux.gentoo.user newsgroup to my thunderbird to make some
> comparisons between that I am receiving and what they are receiving. To
> my surprise I am missing between 1 and 4 messages per thread (of more
> than let's say 10 messages).
>
> It is not a threading problem, and not a pop3 problem ~ I can confirm
> that what I have in gmail is what I have locally.
>
> To give some examples of totals in some larger threads over the last
> couple of days:
>
> Subject                                                 Local   gmane
> "Kde menu"                                              11      12
> "MythTV vs. Gentoo VDR"                                 9       10
> "PORTAGE_ELOG error"                                    24      28
> "strange [ file"                                        27      31
> "can't install ati-drivers"                             13      16
> "How packages becomes stable?"                          8       9
> "Unable to mount root fs on uknown - block (0,0)"       14      17
>
> I have confirmed that that I have locally is exactly what I have in
> gmail, so the problem is not local, and they are not caught anywhere in
> gmail's spam filters.
>
> What I am trying to work out if if it's just me having an issue with
> gmail (which I will confront the gmail team there about), or if the
> gentoo-user mailing server is skipping addresses or having issues
> sending. Tracing mail logs over a few days to check threads can be a
> painfully annoying job ;-)
>
> I am subscribed to other lists too which I seem to be having absolutely
> no problems with, although they are somewhat less active than the
> gentoo-user one.
>
> Are any of you (gmail or not) having the same problem? What is the
> correct way to go about locating and confronting this issue?
>
> Thanks for any advise.
> Ralph
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> hello,
i hear that it's a "problem" with gmail, it would seem that if you sent the
mail to a thread it doesn't show up in your inbox.. as it already has a copy
and isn't "new" mail

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Ralph Slooten]

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Andrew Frink wrote:
> hello,
> i hear that it's a "problem" with gmail, it would seem that if you sent
> the mail to a thread it doesn't show up in your inbox.. as it already
> has a copy and isn't "new" mail

Hello Andrew.

I am well aware of this "problem" which isn't a problem at all. It is
not what I am referring to though, and has nothing to do with the
problem described. What I am referring to are actual missing emails
(never delivered).

Thanks anyway for the idea/contribution ;-)

- -- Ralph

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Farhan Ahmed]

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Andrew Frink wrote:
> On 7/27/06, Ralph Slooten <axllent@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
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> >Hiya,
> >
> >For the last 2 years I have been archiving structurally all my
> >gentoo-user mails I have received into MySQL. In the last few months I
> >have noticed that I have been receiving more and more broken threads
> >(In-Reply-To and References), indicating missing mails from those threads.
> >
> >At present I use gmail to receive the mail which is then downloaded via
> >fetchmail to my imap server. Recently I added the
> >gmane.linux.gentoo.user newsgroup to my thunderbird to make some
> >comparisons between that I am receiving and what they are receiving. To
> >my surprise I am missing between 1 and 4 messages per thread (of more
> >than let's say 10 messages).
> >
> >It is not a threading problem, and not a pop3 problem ~ I can confirm
> >that what I have in gmail is what I have locally.
> >
> >To give some examples of totals in some larger threads over the last
> >couple of days:
> >
> >Subject                                                 Local   gmane
> >"Kde menu"                                              11      12
> >"MythTV vs. Gentoo VDR"                                 9       10
> >"PORTAGE_ELOG error"                                    24      28
> >"strange [ file"                                        27      31
> >"can't install ati-drivers"                             13      16
> >"How packages becomes stable?"                          8       9
> >"Unable to mount root fs on uknown - block (0,0)"       14      17
> >
> >I have confirmed that that I have locally is exactly what I have in
> >gmail, so the problem is not local, and they are not caught anywhere in
> >gmail's spam filters.
> >
> >What I am trying to work out if if it's just me having an issue with
> >gmail (which I will confront the gmail team there about), or if the
> >gentoo-user mailing server is skipping addresses or having issues
> >sending. Tracing mail logs over a few days to check threads can be a
> >painfully annoying job ;-)
> >
> >I am subscribed to other lists too which I seem to be having absolutely
> >no problems with, although they are somewhat less active than the
> >gentoo-user one.
> >
> >Are any of you (gmail or not) having the same problem? What is the
> >correct way to go about locating and confronting this issue?
> >
> >Thanks for any advise.
> >Ralph
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> >
> >hello,
> i hear that it's a "problem" with gmail, it would seem that if you sent the
> mail to a thread it doesn't show up in your inbox.. as it already has a copy
> and isn't "new" mail

This seems not the problem in this case as I'm using GMail and am
receiving all the mail's to the mailing list. The "feature" of GMail
whereby the mail sent by the person is treated as duplicate when
received through list is not guilty of this "problem", as Ralf has not sent
any replies to the above mentioned thread's (did not had the time to
check every thread, but checked two).

This seems like a problem which is affecting some subscribers and not
all. This is odd.

Hope this gets resolved soon.
Farhan Ahmed
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Richard Fish]

On 7/27/06, Farhan Ahmed <farhanahmed06@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hope this gets resolved soon.

I filed an infra bug report here:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141904

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Hemmann, Volker Armin]

On Thursday 27 July 2006 15:16, Uwe Thiem wrote:
> On 27 July 2006 13:42, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> > Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> > > I am not missing any mails.
> >
> > How did you verify?
>
> Since he isn't seeing them, he doesn't miss them. ;-)
>

exactly ;)


not really - I am not missing them, because threads seem to be intact.

Until today, because I can't see my own message .... yay Murphy at work.
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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Jeremy Olexa]

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Richard Fish wrote:
> On 7/27/06, Farhan Ahmed <farhanahmed06@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hope this gets resolved soon.
> 
> I filed an infra bug report here:
> 
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141904
> 
> -Richard

I couldn't find this thread on gmane. Anyone got a link to the thread?
Or could tell me how many posts there have been before mine? I would
like to contribute to the bug report if I am seeing the problem too.

Thanks,
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(olexa@cs.umn.edu)
Office: EE/CS 1-201
CS/IT Systems Staff
University of Minnesota

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Farhan Ahmed]

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Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> > [...]
> > 
> > I filed an infra bug report here:
> > 
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141904
> 
> I couldn't find this thread on gmane. Anyone got a link to the thread?
> Or could tell me how many posts there have been before mine? I would
> like to contribute to the bug report if I am seeing the problem too.

You can find the link in the bug report quoted above. Anyway the the
link to this thread on gmane is :

  http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/166664/focus=166664

There have been 14 posts to this thread before you (including the
starting thread). This count is according to GMane as well as according
to my mail client.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Ralph Slooten]

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Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> I couldn't find this thread on gmane. Anyone got a link to the thread?
> Or could tell me how many posts there have been before mine? I would
> like to contribute to the bug report if I am seeing the problem too.

In the bug report is the url ;-)

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/166664/focus=166664

- - Ralph

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[gentoo-user] Re: Lots of missing gentoo-user mail

[Ralph Slooten]

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Ralph Slooten wrote:
 > Subject							Local	gmane
> "Kde menu"							11	12
> "MythTV vs. Gentoo VDR"					9	10
> "PORTAGE_ELOG error"						24	28
> "strange [ file"						27	31
> "can't install ati-drivers"					13	16
> "How packages becomes stable?"				8	9
> "Unable to mount root fs on uknown - block (0,0)"		14	17

And excluding this post, and for this thread:

Local = 15
Gmane = 17

I think it just proves my point.

* Missing one from "Hemmann, Volker Armin"
200607271436.25947.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de

* Missing one from "Randy Barlow" 44C8D08B.7090003@electronsweatshop.com

- -Ralph
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