[gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Ow Mun Heng]

What I meant is "secure" ftp.
sort of like httpS as an alternative to http.

short of wrapping/tunneling ftp traffic through SSH. (That's simple)
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> What I meant is "secure" ftp.
> sort of like httpS as an alternative to http.
> 
> short of wrapping/tunneling ftp traffic through SSH. (That's simple)

It's called sftp, and openssh does it with this in /etc/ssh/sshd_config:

# override default of no subsystems
Subsystem   sftp    /usr/lib/misc/sftp-server

Most SSH clients will do it, FTP clients may not.

Thanks,
Donnie


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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Alexander Skwar]

Ow Mun Heng schrieb:
> What I meant is "secure" ftp.
> sort of like httpS as an alternative to http.
> 
> short of wrapping/tunneling ftp traffic through SSH. (That's simple)

What do you mean? FTP through SSH? Or like the https? Those
are two very different approachs!

The first is called sftp, SSH File Transfer Protocol or Secure File
Transfer Protocol, which are different protocols.
The latter is called ftps, FTP over SSL.

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Justin Krejci]

On Thursday 13 July 2006 12:58 am, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> > What I meant is "secure" ftp.
> > sort of like httpS as an alternative to http.
> >
> > short of wrapping/tunneling ftp traffic through SSH. (That's simple)
>
> It's called sftp, and openssh does it with this in /etc/ssh/sshd_config:
>
> # override default of no subsystems
> Subsystem   sftp    /usr/lib/misc/sftp-server
>
> Most SSH clients will do it, FTP clients may not.
>

there is scp (part of openssh) and also sshfs which allows you to mount an 
sftp connection as a local directory.

If you don't want to mess with ssh (why? it is really easy stuff) read this
http://www.ford-hutchinson.com/~fh-1-pfh/ftps-ext.html
With this ftps I am not sure if just logins are encrypted or if data tranfers 
are encrypted as well.
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Justin Krejci]

On Thursday 13 July 2006 12:58 am, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> > What I meant is "secure" ftp.
> > sort of like httpS as an alternative to http.
> >
> > short of wrapping/tunneling ftp traffic through SSH. (That's simple)
>
> It's called sftp, and openssh does it with this in /etc/ssh/sshd_config:
>
> # override default of no subsystems
> Subsystem   sftp    /usr/lib/misc/sftp-server
>
> Most SSH clients will do it, FTP clients may not.
>

there is scp (part of openssh) and also sshfs which allows you to mount an 
sftp connection as a local directory.

If you don't want to mess with ssh (why? it is really easy stuff) read this
http://www.ford-hutchinson.com/~fh-1-pfh/ftps-ext.html
With this ftps I am not sure if just logins are encrypted or if data tranfers 
are encrypted as well.
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Ow Mun Heng]

On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 22:58 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> > What I meant is "secure" ftp.
> > sort of like httpS as an alternative to http.
> > 
> > short of wrapping/tunneling ftp traffic through SSH. (That's simple)
> 
> It's called sftp, and openssh does it with this in /etc/ssh/sshd_config:


Sorry, I should have mentioned that I know about that as well.
Most other users are Windows users and they then to just like to click a
link eg:

ftp://1.2.3.4

and it'll open up in explorer. (users, they don't care, as long as it
works)

> # override default of no subsystems
> Subsystem   sftp    /usr/lib/misc/sftp-server
> 
> Most SSH clients will do it, FTP clients may not.

And I sincerely doubt windows explorer can do it. (Which is the problem)

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Justin Krejci]

On Thursday 13 July 2006 01:31 am, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 22:58 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > Ow Mun Heng wrote:
> > > What I meant is "secure" ftp.
> > > sort of like httpS as an alternative to http.
> > >
> > > short of wrapping/tunneling ftp traffic through SSH. (That's simple)
> >
> > It's called sftp, and openssh does it with this in /etc/ssh/sshd_config:
>
> Sorry, I should have mentioned that I know about that as well.
> Most other users are Windows users and they then to just like to click a
> link eg:
>
> ftp://1.2.3.4
>
> and it'll open up in explorer. (users, they don't care, as long as it
> works)
>
> > # override default of no subsystems
> > Subsystem   sftp    /usr/lib/misc/sftp-server
> >
> > Most SSH clients will do it, FTP clients may not.
>
> And I sincerely doubt windows explorer can do it. (Which is the problem)

Assuming you mean Microsoft Internet Explorer, you should check into a 
microsoft windows mailing list if this has nothing to Gentoo or even Linux at 
all. There are nice sftp/scp apps for windows - winscp works great.
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Catalin Grigoroscuta]

ftps and sftp are different things.
sftp is a service offered by ssh; ftps is ftp over ssl, similar to https.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FTPS

Justin Krejci wrote:
> On Thursday 13 July 2006 01:31 am, Ow Mun Heng wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 22:58 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>>     
>>> Ow Mun Heng wrote:
>>>       
>>>> What I meant is "secure" ftp.
>>>> sort of like httpS as an alternative to http.
>>>>
>>>> short of wrapping/tunneling ftp traffic through SSH. (That's simple)
>>>>         
>>> It's called sftp, and openssh does it with this in /etc/ssh/sshd_config:
>>>       
>> Sorry, I should have mentioned that I know about that as well.
>> Most other users are Windows users and they then to just like to click a
>> link eg:
>>
>> ftp://1.2.3.4
>>
>> and it'll open up in explorer. (users, they don't care, as long as it
>> works)
>>
>>     
>>> # override default of no subsystems
>>> Subsystem   sftp    /usr/lib/misc/sftp-server
>>>
>>> Most SSH clients will do it, FTP clients may not.
>>>       
>> And I sincerely doubt windows explorer can do it. (Which is the problem)
>>     
>
> Assuming you mean Microsoft Internet Explorer, you should check into a 
> microsoft windows mailing list if this has nothing to Gentoo or even Linux at 
> all. There are nice sftp/scp apps for windows - winscp works great.
>   

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Janusz Bossy]

On 7/13/06, Justin Krejci <jus@krytosvirus.com> wrote:
> Assuming you mean Microsoft Internet Explorer, you should check into a
> microsoft windows mailing list if this has nothing to Gentoo or even Linux at
> all. There are nice sftp/scp apps for windows - winscp works great.

This is no Internet Explorer thing and this is exactly the place he
should ask. The problem isn't that IE doesn't support sftp but we are
looking for something on Gentoo that IE supports (possibly ftps or
similar).

I haven't heard about anything like that, but on the other side I was
never looking for it :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Daniel Iliev]

Janusz Bossy wrote:
> This is no Internet Explorer thing and this is exactly the place he
> should ask. The problem isn't that IE doesn't support sftp but we are
> looking for something on Gentoo that IE supports (possibly ftps or
> similar).
> 
> I haven't heard about anything like that, but on the other side I was
> never looking for it :)
> 

Well, if FTPS is supported by MS-IE, then there is a solution in the
portage. It is called *vsftpd*

====
USE="ssl" emerge net-ftp/vsftpd
====

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Ow Mun Heng]

On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 08:14 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:
> Ow Mun Heng schrieb:
> > What I meant is "secure" ftp.
> > sort of like httpS as an alternative to http.
> > 
> > short of wrapping/tunneling ftp traffic through SSH. (That's simple)
> 
> What do you mean? FTP through SSH? Or like the https? Those
> are two very different approachs!
> 
> The first is called sftp, SSH File Transfer Protocol or Secure File
> Transfer Protocol, which are different protocols.
> The latter is called ftps, FTP over SSL.

Yes. I want FTP over SSl or FTPs. If there exists such a protocol.


> 
> Alexander Skwar
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> isn't our's either.  It's ours, and likewise yours and theirs.
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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Ow Mun Heng]

On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 16:19 +0300, Daniel Iliev wrote:
> Janusz Bossy wrote:
> > This is no Internet Explorer thing and this is exactly the place he
> > should ask. The problem isn't that IE doesn't support sftp but we are
> > looking for something on Gentoo that IE supports (possibly ftps or
> > similar).

Exactly

> 
> Well, if FTPS is supported by MS-IE, then there is a solution in the
> portage. It is called *vsftpd*
> 
> ====
> USE="ssl" emerge net-ftp/vsftpd
> ====

I do have vsftpd installed and it's what I'm using as the ftp server on
a Gentoo Box.
I'll go dig and see how to set it up.

Thanks

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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Ow Mun Heng]

On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 14:33 -0700, Ow Mun Heng wrote:

> I do have vsftpd installed and it's what I'm using as the ftp server on
> a Gentoo Box.
> I'll go dig and see how to set it up.
> 

Found it on the wiki. Now, After it's set up, how do I test it? I don't
see any additional ports being opened for SSL. (like in apache)
I'm not too sure if there is / should be a difference.

I tried using lftp (which supports ftps) and traced the connection using
tcpdump/ethereal. 
Nothing happens, looking at the dumps, I see reset packets being sent
back to the server and lftp keeps telling me [Delaying Xsecs before
reconnect]


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Re: [gentoo-user] FTPs - Is there such a thing?

[Alexander Skwar]

Ow Mun Heng schrieb:
> On Thu, 2006-07-13 at 08:14 +0200, Alexander Skwar wrote:

>> The first is called sftp, SSH File Transfer Protocol or Secure File
>> Transfer Protocol, which are different protocols.
>> The latter is called ftps, FTP over SSL.
> 
> Yes. I want FTP over SSl or FTPs.

Okay.

> If there exists such a protocol.

It exists. My fav. FTP Daemon, proftpd, also supports this. Just
read the documentation.

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