[gentoo-user] Konqueror & Open Office : font problems

[gentoo-user] Konqueror & Open Office : font problems

[Philip Webb]

I've been suffering from  2  font problems for the last few months.

(1) Konqueror 3.5.3 (3.5.1 3.5.2) displays news sites with an ugly font
despite my setting 'Standard font = New Century Schoolbook, min/med size 11';
there is no problem with Firefox: see

  http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-konq.png
  http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-firefox1.png

(2) Open Office 2.0.3 (2.0.2) insists on overlarge fonts for menus,
despite my setting 'Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice -> Fonts:
automatic, non-proportional, size 10'; it is cured only when I set
'Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice -> View: scaling = 80 % '
& '125 %' in the toolbar: see ( 1 = former , 2 = latter )

  http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-oo1.png
  http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-oo2.png

Otherwise, I have no problems with fonts.

Has anyone else seen this ?  Does anyone have suggestions ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror & Open Office : font problems

[Richard Fish]

On 7/9/06, Philip Webb <purslow@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I've been suffering from  2  font problems for the last few months.
>
> (1) Konqueror 3.5.3 (3.5.1 3.5.2) displays news sites with an ugly font
> despite my setting 'Standard font = New Century Schoolbook, min/med size 11';
> there is no problem with Firefox: see
>
>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-konq.png
>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-firefox1.png

Heh, I actually think the konqueror rendering is easier to read with a
nice anti-aliased font, instead of that jaggy New Century Schoolbook
one, but to each his own I guess...

Anyway it looks to me like Konqueror is always honoring the
document-specified fonts instead of your chosen ones.  So if a web
page specifies Verdana for everything (like Yahoo does), then that is
what konqueror displays.

You can override this quite brutally by using the "Accessibility"
style sheet under Stylesheets, and customizing it to force the "same
font family for all text".

> (2) Open Office 2.0.3 (2.0.2) insists on overlarge fonts for menus,
> despite my setting 'Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice -> Fonts:
> automatic, non-proportional, size 10'; it is cured only when I set
> 'Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice -> View: scaling = 80 % '
> & '125 %' in the toolbar: see ( 1 = former , 2 = latter )

If you build openoffice with USE=kde (and it looks like you do),
openoffice should be able to use the KDE theming engine for rendering
it's user interface, including fonts.  But you should make sure that
you have "Use system font for user interface" selected in
"Tools->Options->OpenOffice.org->View"

-Richard
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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror & Open Office : font problems

[Philip Webb]

060709 Richard Fish wrote:
> On 7/9/06, Philip Webb <purslow@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> (1) Konqueror 3.5.3 (3.5.1 3.5.2) displays news sites with an ugly font
>> despite 'Standard font = New Century Schoolbook, min/med size 11';
>> there is no problem with Firefox: see
>>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-konq.png
>>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-firefox1.png
> Konqueror is honoring document-specified fonts instead of your choice.
> Yahoo specifies Verdana for everything, so that is what Konqueror displays.
> You can override this brutally via the "Accessibility" style sheet,
> customizing it to force the "same font family for all text".

Yes, that works, but only if you restart Konqueror:
that trapped me previously, as I didn't think it needed restarting.
However, a different problem arises, as vital header text is now missing:

  http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-firefox2.png
  http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-konq2.png

This happens on other sites too.  I don't know how to write style sheets,
though I can find these in ~/.kde : can you suggest what to add
or do you know of a beginners' guide to style sheets anywhere ?

>> (2) Open Office 2.0.3 (2.0.2) insists on overlarge fonts for menus,
>> despite my setting 'Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice -> Fonts:
>> automatic, non-proportional, size 10'; it is cured only when I set
>> 'Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice -> View: scaling = 80 % '
>> & '125 %' in the toolbar: see ( 1 = former , 2 = latter )
>>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-oo1.png
>>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-oo2.png
> Make sure you have "Use system font for user interface" selected
> in "Tools->Options->OpenOffice.org->View"

It makes no difference when I select that: any further suggestions ?
Perhaps I need to change the "system font" somewhere ?
IIRC this started only with OO 2.0.2 : does that give any clues ?

Thanks for your helpful assistance.  Anyone else have thoughts ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror & Open Office : font problems

[Randall Barlow]

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> do you know of a beginners' guide to style sheets anywhere ?

W3Schools has good tutorials for this:
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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror & Open Office : font problems

[Philip Webb]

060710 Randall Barlow wrote:
> Philip Webb wrote:
>> do you know of a beginners' guide to style sheets anywhere ?
> W3Schools has good tutorials for this:
> http://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp

Thanks: I've bookmarked it & will investigate later.
Any advice from anyone re the immediate problem is still welcome (smile).

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror & Open Office : font problems

[Richard Fish]

On 7/10/06, Philip Webb <purslow@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> It makes no difference when I select that: any further suggestions ?
> Perhaps I need to change the "system font" somewhere ?

The 'system' font in this case should match the Menu font selected in
the KDE Control Center.

> IIRC this started only with OO 2.0.2 : does that give any clues ?

Did you build OOo from source, or install the -bin?  Mine is from source...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror & Open Office : font problems

[Philip Webb]

060710 Richard Fish wrote:
> On 7/10/06, Philip Webb <purslow@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> It makes no difference when I select that: any further suggestions ?
>> Perhaps I need to change the "system font" somewhere ?
> The 'system' font in this case should match the Menu font
> selected in the KDE Control Center.

It doesn't : there I have 'Fixed GNU 13', which gives the menu line in

  http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-konq.png

which is definitely smaller than the one displayed in 

  http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-oo1.png

>> IIRC this started only with OO 2.0.2 : does that give any clues ?
> Did you build OOo from source, or install the -bin?  Mine is from source...

I always build OO from source ( c 6 hr : grin): these are the flags

  app-office/openoffice-2.0.3  USE="-binfilter -cairo -debug -eds -firefox -gnome gtk java kde -ldap -mono -odk -pam xml" LINGUAS="-af -ar -be_BY -bg -bn -bs -ca -cs -cy -da -de -el -en -en_GB -en_US -en_ZA -es -et -fa -fi -fr -gu_IN -he -hi_IN -hr -hu -it -ja -km -ko -lt -mk -nb -nl -nn -nr -ns -pa_IN -pl -pt -pt_BR -ru -rw -sh_YU -sk -sl -sr_CS -st -sv -sw_TZ -th -tn -tr -ts -vi -xh -zh_CN -zh_TW -zu" 

It may be a bug which arises only with some particular set of options.
Which font settings do you have which wb relevant to this problem ?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror & Open Office : font problems

[Philip Webb]

060710 Richard Fish wrote:
> The 'system' font in this case should match the Menu font
> selected in the KDE Control Center.

The problem seems to be that OO doesn't know re 'Fixed GNU'
& makes a clumsy substitution: when I set the KDE menu font to Helvetica,
the OO menu font returns to what it used to be (with normal sizing).
'Use system font' in OO Options-View makes no difference either way,
so OO+KDE seems to use the KDE fonts automatically.

I can investigate myself, but do you have any quick advice
how to get OO to recognise 'Fixed GNU' ?

I prefer Fixed GNU to Helvetica & it's a pity to have to use the latter
simply to avoid an awkward problem when using OO .

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Re: [gentoo-user] Konqueror & Open Office : font problems

[Philip Webb]

060710 Philip Webb wrote:
> 060709 Richard Fish wrote:
>> On 7/9/06, Philip Webb <purslow@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>> Konqueror 3.5.3 (3.5.1 3.5.2) displays news sites with an ugly font
>>> despite 'Standard font = New Century Schoolbook, min/med size 11';
>> Konqueror is honoring document-specified fonts instead of your choice.
>> Yahoo specifies Verdana for everything, so that is what Konqueror displays.
>> You can override this brutally via the "Accessibility" style sheet,
>> customizing it to force the "same font family for all text".
> Yes, that works, but only if you restart Konqueror:
> that trapped me previously, as I didn't think it needed restarting.
> However, a different problem arises, as vital header text is now missing:
>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-firefox2.png
>   http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~purslow/font-konq2.png
> This happens on other sites too.  I don't know how to write style sheets,
> though I can find these in ~/.kde : can you suggest what to add
> or do you know of a beginners' guide to style sheets anywhere ?

This proved easy to fix by taking the font lines from "accessible"
& inserting them into "default" to create a personal CSS file.
The originals are in hard-to-find places:
  "default" =  /usr/kde/3.5/share/apps/khtml/css/html4.css
  "accessible" =  ~/.kde/share/apps/kcmcss/override.css
(Krusader's very powerful search facility helped a lot in finding them)
& KDE's use of style sheets is not well explained in the KDE dox.

Thanks again to the  2  helpers & HTH as grist for the list archive.

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