From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1FwNZb-0000ds-B9 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:18:35 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with SMTP id k5UIGHWg032566; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:16:17 GMT Received: from mach.qrypto.org (connectioncable-084.headoff.net [217.30.222.84] (may be forged)) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.7/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k5UIAwU4008949 for ; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:10:58 GMT Received: (qmail 28949 invoked from network); 30 Jun 2006 17:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.2?) (gentoo@192.168.0.2) by 192.168.0.1 with ESMTPA; 30 Jun 2006 17:13:53 -0000 Message-ID: <44A56A7A.9010604@qrypto.org> Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 21:16:26 +0300 From: Rumen Yotov Organization: personal User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060604) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] distrowatch and gentoo...... References: <342e1090606300703x6a512884m499bb5fc7b826440@mail.gmail.com> <44A53B71.4080304@qrypto.org> <200606301707.30906.bo.andresen@zlin.dk> In-Reply-To: <200606301707.30906.bo.andresen@zlin.dk> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010609070002010201090304" X-Archives-Salt: 806039f8-73a7-4681-ab0a-71ab06869d9b X-Archives-Hash: 2a093b28e8fc7f8cb322ce4a37cf9253 This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010609070002010201090304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: > On Friday 30 June 2006 16:55, Rumen Yotov wrote: >> Don't wanna say anything, but all of you could just search -dev >> ML-archives. There are two alternate package-managers in development. >> Some sparks about dev/user overlays,sunrise-overlay,GWN etc. etc. >> Not seen such turmoil in latest 3 years (and IMHO most things are >> personal). No flames intended, just info. > > Is there a point to this? Because I'm not sure I caught it... (Note that AFAIK > both of those alternative package managers wish to be part of Gentoo.) > Hi, Yes but the question is which *one* will prevail (maybe it'll be better if two or even three are used, based on user preferences etc.). The way to go (as it's going now) is to standardize on the ebuild format - the *data* in portage and open place for technical merits. IMO this is just a temporary problem from which something better will emerge, i truly hope so. Lets hope *everybody* will learn from it ;) PS:BTW what you/others think of user-representatives idea? Richard/Neil&others could be ones, both have technical&personal qualities. See prev./last GWN. 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