[gentoo-user] USE flag

[gentoo-user] USE flag

[sean]

I would like to fine tune my USE flags a bit more and have a question.

Currently I am emerging gaim, and as it proceeds I see gnome and
evolution related items across the screen.

I am not running gnome desktop or evolution and could a -gnome and
-evolution be placed in USE and would it cause any problems?

I am not a big fan of gnome but some things I use, gaim for example
seems to be tied to gnome. Can I filter it out without causing problems
for some apps that may be tied to gnome.

					Thanks
					Sean
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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Willie Wong]

On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 10:44:35PM -0400, Penguin Lover sean squawked:
> I would like to fine tune my USE flags a bit more and have a question.
> 
> Currently I am emerging gaim, and as it proceeds I see gnome and
> evolution related items across the screen.
> 
> I am not running gnome desktop or evolution and could a -gnome and
> -evolution be placed in USE and would it cause any problems?

What you want, is to disable the eds use flag (USE="-eds"). It enables
support fo evolution data server, which, if you are not using
evolution or gnome, is not terribly useful. 

It might be a good idea to also have -gnome in your USE if you do not
use gnome at all. It shouldn't cause any problems. Anything that
explicitly depends on gnome would still bring in the needed libraries,
it is only stuff that have an optional dependency on gnome that would
get affected. 

Personally speaking, I suggest you emerge 'ufed'. It is a useflag
editor based on ncurses. It also displays a description of each flag.
Then I suggest that you go through the entire list and mark off the
ones you want and unmark the ones you don't want. It should be a
one-time affair, and could potentially save you lots of time later. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Aniruddha Shankar]

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Willie Wong wrote:
> 
> Personally speaking, I suggest you emerge 'ufed'. 

I moved from ufed to profuse, it's slightly better with multiple display
interfaces (dialog/ncurses/gtk)

cheers,

K
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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Willie Wong]

On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 11:30:26AM +0530, Penguin Lover Aniruddha Shankar squawked:
> Willie Wong wrote:
> > 
> > Personally speaking, I suggest you emerge 'ufed'. 
> 
> I moved from ufed to profuse, it's slightly better with multiple display
> interfaces (dialog/ncurses/gtk)
> 

I've tried both, and I didn't really find much difference between the
tools. Care to elucidate on why profuse is better? (Or do you mean
that it is better because it supports multiple display interfaces?)
[I am not trying to start a flamewar. If there is some feature of
profuse that I didn't know about that is useful and not present for
ufed, I'd like to find out.]

I think I ended up using ufed because it got support for the -* flag
first. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[sean]

Willie Wong wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2006 at 11:30:26AM +0530, Penguin Lover Aniruddha Shankar squawked:
>> Willie Wong wrote:
>>> Personally speaking, I suggest you emerge 'ufed'. 
>> I moved from ufed to profuse, it's slightly better with multiple display
>> interfaces (dialog/ncurses/gtk)
>>
> 
> I've tried both, and I didn't really find much difference between the
> tools. Care to elucidate on why profuse is better? (Or do you mean
> that it is better because it supports multiple display interfaces?)
> [I am not trying to start a flamewar. If there is some feature of
> profuse that I didn't know about that is useful and not present for
> ufed, I'd like to find out.]
> 
> I think I ended up using ufed because it got support for the -* flag
> first. 
> 
> W

They both like interesting, I did see some screen shots of profuse, does 
ufed operate the same?

				Thanks
				Sean
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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Bo Ørsted Andresen]

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On Wednesday 28 June 2006 22:29, sean wrote:
> They both like interesting, I did see some screen shots of profuse, does
> ufed operate the same?

Emerge them and see for yourself. They are really minor...

# genlop -t profuse
 * app-portage/profuse

     Wed Jun 28 22:39:56 2006 >>> app-portage/profuse-0.25.4
       merge time: 6 seconds.

# genlop -t ufed
 * app-portage/ufed

     Sun Jun  4 09:51:59 2006 >>> app-portage/ufed-0.40-r3
       merge time: 15 seconds.

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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Nick Rout]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:30:26 +0530
Aniruddha Shankar wrote:

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> Willie Wong wrote:
> > 
> > Personally speaking, I suggest you emerge 'ufed'. 
> 
> I moved from ufed to profuse, it's slightly better with multiple display
> interfaces (dialog/ncurses/gtk)
> 
> cheers,

funnily enough I dislike the gtk interface and usually start it with 

DISPLAY= profuse

to fool it into thinking X is not available, so it runs in my konsole


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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Jeremy Olexa]

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Nick Rout wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:30:26 +0530
> Aniruddha Shankar wrote:
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>> Willie Wong wrote:
>>> Personally speaking, I suggest you emerge 'ufed'. 
>> I moved from ufed to profuse, it's slightly better with multiple display
>> interfaces (dialog/ncurses/gtk)
>>
>> cheers,
> 
> funnily enough I dislike the gtk interface and usually start it with 
> 
> DISPLAY= profuse
> 
> to fool it into thinking X is not available, so it runs in my konsole
> 

Speaking of USE flags this is a PERFECT example of when to
enable/disable a USE flag. If I was Nick and PREFERRED to start profuse
without gtk support (aka ncurses) then I would re-emerge profuse WITHOUT
the gtk USE flag. Thanks for giving some people an example of when to
enable/disable USE flags, Nick.

DISCLAIMER: I don't use profuse but I assume that the gtk USE flag does
exactly what I have explained. ;)

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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Ryan Tandy]

Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> without gtk support (aka ncurses) then I would re-emerge profuse WITHOUT

Er... maybe I misunderstood something, but gtk and ncurses are two 
COMPLETELY different things.
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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Jure Varlec]

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On Thursday 29 June 2006 06:49, Ryan Tandy wrote:
> Er... maybe I misunderstood something, but gtk and ncurses are two
> COMPLETELY different things.

Well, they are both libraries for creating user interfaces. GTK uses X, 
ncurses uses a terminal. And if Nick prefers to run profuse in the console, 
he really doesn't need GTK support.
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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Jure Varlec]

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On Thursday 29 June 2006 09:03, Jure Varlec wrote:
> On Thursday 29 June 2006 06:49, Ryan Tandy wrote:
> > Er... maybe I misunderstood something, but gtk and ncurses are two
> > COMPLETELY different things.
>
> Well, they are both libraries for creating user interfaces. GTK uses X,
> ncurses uses a terminal. And if Nick prefers to run profuse in the console,
> he really doesn't need GTK support.

Sorry, didn't pay attention to what you quoted. Apologies.
>>> without gtk support (aka ncurses)

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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Jeremy Olexa]

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Ryan Tandy wrote:
> Jeremy Olexa wrote:
>> without gtk support (aka ncurses) then I would re-emerge profuse WITHOUT
> 
> Er... maybe I misunderstood something, but gtk and ncurses are two
> COMPLETELY different things.

right. that is what I meant. if you didn't want a gtk interface you
would end up using a ncurses interface ;) yes?

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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Willie Wong]

On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 12:21:06PM -0500, Penguin Lover Jeremy Olexa squawked:
> Ryan Tandy wrote:
> > Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> >> without gtk support (aka ncurses) then I would re-emerge profuse WITHOUT
> > 
> > Er... maybe I misunderstood something, but gtk and ncurses are two
> > COMPLETELY different things.
> 
> right. that is what I meant. if you didn't want a gtk interface you
> would end up using a ncurses interface ;) yes?

Well, just to be pedantic ;) profuse can also fall back on a pure
'dialog' based interface if you set -gtk and -ncurses. 

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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Ryan Tandy]

Jeremy Olexa wrote:
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> Ryan Tandy wrote:
>> Jeremy Olexa wrote:
>>> without gtk support (aka ncurses) then I would re-emerge profuse WITHOUT
>> Er... maybe I misunderstood something, but gtk and ncurses are two
>> COMPLETELY different things.
> 
> right. that is what I meant. if you didn't want a gtk interface you
> would end up using a ncurses interface ;) yes?
> 

Ah, my misinterpretation.  I thought you meant that GTK == ncurses, 
rather than (!GTK) == ncurses.

Sorry all for the wasted bandwidth. ;)
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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[David Corbin]

On Thursday 29 June 2006 12:04 am, Jeremy Olexa wrote:
> Nick Rout wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:30:26 +0530
> >
> > Aniruddha Shankar wrote:
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> >> Willie Wong wrote:
> >>> Personally speaking, I suggest you emerge 'ufed'.
> >>
> >> I moved from ufed to profuse, it's slightly better with multiple display
> >> interfaces (dialog/ncurses/gtk)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >
> > funnily enough I dislike the gtk interface and usually start it with
> >
> > DISPLAY= profuse
> >
> > to fool it into thinking X is not available, so it runs in my konsole
>
> Speaking of USE flags this is a PERFECT example of when to
> enable/disable a USE flag. If I was Nick and PREFERRED to start profuse
> without gtk support (aka ncurses) then I would re-emerge profuse WITHOUT
> the gtk USE flag. Thanks for giving some people an example of when to
> enable/disable USE flags, Nick.
>

and what is the correct way to disable the -gtk flag for all future emerges of 
a particular ebuild?

Thanks.
David
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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 04:46:07 -0400, David Corbin wrote:

> and what is the correct way to disable the -gtk flag for all future
> emerges of a particular ebuild?

echo "cate-gory/package -gtk" >>/etc/portage/package.use

man portage for more info.


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Re: [gentoo-user] USE flag

[Nick Rout]

On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:04:45 -0500
Jeremy Olexa wrote:

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> Nick Rout wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:30:26 +0530
> > Aniruddha Shankar wrote:
> > 
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> >> Willie Wong wrote:
> >>> Personally speaking, I suggest you emerge 'ufed'. 
> >> I moved from ufed to profuse, it's slightly better with multiple display
> >> interfaces (dialog/ncurses/gtk)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> > 
> > funnily enough I dislike the gtk interface and usually start it with 
> > 
> > DISPLAY= profuse
> > 
> > to fool it into thinking X is not available, so it runs in my konsole
> > 
> 
> Speaking of USE flags this is a PERFECT example of when to
> enable/disable a USE flag. If I was Nick and PREFERRED to start profuse
> without gtk support (aka ncurses) then I would re-emerge profuse WITHOUT
> the gtk USE flag. Thanks for giving some people an example of when to
> enable/disable USE flags, Nick.
> 
> DISCLAIMER: I don't use profuse but I assume that the gtk USE flag does
> exactly what I have explained. ;)


You are right and I did think that as i was typing the email! However
there are times when i like the gtk interface, its more a mood thing, so I am happy to leave the gtk flag for that ebuild :-)

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