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[gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

[JimD]

Has anyone gotten this to compile with gcc 4.x?

I just upgraded to gcc 4.1 and I also just installed kdelibs 3.5 (I am a
gnome guy and want to give kde a look).

The requirement page on the klibido site state gcc 3.x.  Would I be able
to emerge gcc 3.x and compile klibido with that?  I compiled kdelibs 3.5
with gcc 4.1.

Since I have no kde stuff on my system, I thought I would get the latest
and greatest to try out kde.  However, I would hate to spend hours
compiling kde 3.5 with gcc 4.1 to have nothing but a headache.

If the above is not doable, does anyone know of a good binary news
reader for Linux?  I have tried the older, stable version of pan, though
that is dog slow and uses HUGE amounts of memory.  Today pan sucked up
over 800MB of my 2GB and caused Firefox and Thunderbird to terminate (I
was also using VMware at the time with 768MB WinXP guest).  I now just
tried the latest unstable pan with is much faster and uses much less
memory.  However, it is too unstable to be usable for me.

I would love to find a clean binary news reader like GrabIt
(http://www.shemes.com/).  GrabIt is simple, fast and stable.  Though it
is closed source and only runs on WinXP which doesn't help me now :-(

Thanks for any help,

Jim
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[gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

[JimD]

Has anyone gotten this to compile with gcc 4.x?

I just upgraded to gcc 4.1 and I also just installed kdelibs 3.5 (I am a
gnome guy and want to give kde a look).

The requirement page on the klibido site state gcc 3.x.  Would I be able
to emerge gcc 3.x and compile klibido with that?  I compiled kdelibs 3.5
with gcc 4.1.

Since I have no kde stuff on my system, I thought I would get the latest
and greatest to try out kde.  However, I would hate to spend hours
compiling kde 3.5 with gcc 4.1 to have nothing but a headache.

If the above is not doable, does anyone know of a good binary news
reader for Linux?  I have tried the older, stable version of pan, though
that is dog slow and uses HUGE amounts of memory.  Today pan sucked up
over 800MB of my 2GB and caused Firefox and Thunderbird to terminate (I
was also using VMware at the time with 768MB WinXP guest).  I now just
tried the latest unstable pan with is much faster and uses much less
memory.  However, it is too unstable to be usable for me.

I would love to find a clean binary news reader like GrabIt
(http://www.shemes.com/).  GrabIt is simple, fast and stable.  Though it
is closed source and only runs on WinXP which doesn't help me now  :-(

Thanks for any help,

p.s. sorry if this post showed up already.  I posted it close to 2 hours
ago and don't see it.

Jim
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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

[Richard Fish]

On 5/27/06, JimD <Jim@keeliegirl.dyndns.org> wrote:
> Has anyone gotten this to compile with gcc 4.x?

Doesn't look promising.  I just tried it, and I get this bug:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=133535

> I just upgraded to gcc 4.1 and I also just installed kdelibs 3.5 (I am a
> gnome guy and want to give kde a look).

"now, release your anger..strike down your old DE and your journey to
the dark side will be complete!"

> The requirement page on the klibido site state gcc 3.x.  Would I be able
> to emerge gcc 3.x and compile klibido with that?  I compiled kdelibs 3.5
> with gcc 4.1.

Theoretically...maybe.  There is a bit of an open debate right now on
how binary compatible 3.4.x and 4.x are.

You can certainly merge 3.4.6-r1, and use gcc-config to select that as
your compiler for building klibido.  And I am reasonably sure it will
_compile_.

But it is maybe a bit dangerous, as you have kdelibs built with 4.1,
so linked against that version of libstdc++.so.  When you build
klibido with 3.4.x, it will get linked with that version of
libstdc++.so.  Since the .so version is the same, the system should
load one and only one copy of libstdc++.so (whichever one shows up
first in ldconfig).  And it should work...*in theory*.  However there
have been some issues posted with running such mixed-environment
programs, so it seems not so simple.

I would suggest to either use 3.4.x and rebuild all C++ programs with
that (using revdep-rebuild --library=libstdc++.so.6), or wait for the
above bug to get fixed.  Rebuilding all C++ programs could include
openoffice.org, mozilla, and other long-compiling packages...

> I would love to find a clean binary news reader like GrabIt
> (http://www.shemes.com/).  GrabIt is simple, fast and stable.  Though it
> is closed source and only runs on WinXP which doesn't help me now  :-(

I haven't tried it, but maybe it will work with wine?  If you decide
to try wine, make sure you merge the latest 0.9.x version, not a
-2005XXXX version.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

[JimD]

Richard Fish wrote:

> I would suggest to either use 3.4.x and rebuild all C++ programs with
> that (using revdep-rebuild --library=libstdc++.so.6), or wait for the
> above bug to get fixed.  Rebuilding all C++ programs could include
> openoffice.org, mozilla, and other long-compiling packages...

Part of me wanting to try kde again was because of the nice speed
increase with startup times and gcc 4.1.  However, I don't know if this
is try from experience.  Is kde 3.5 noticeably faster when compiled with
gcc 4.1?

Jim
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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

[JimD]

Richard Fish wrote:

> I would suggest to either use 3.4.x and rebuild all C++ programs with
> that (using revdep-rebuild --library=libstdc++.so.6), or wait for the
> above bug to get fixed.  Rebuilding all C++ programs could include
> openoffice.org, mozilla, and other long-compiling packages...

By the way, do you know if Gentoo considers an ebuild with an -rX on the
end to be newer?  For example which would emerge choose:

sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6
or
sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r1

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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

[Ryan Tandy]

JimD wrote:
> By the way, do you know if Gentoo considers an ebuild with an -rX on the
> end to be newer?  For example which would emerge choose:
> 
> sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6
> or
> sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r1

s/Gentoo/portage ;)

Yes, it does.  Revision bumps are generally to correct a bug or typo in 
an ebuild, or apply additional patches, while the upstream version 
remains unchanged.

If you're unmasking (in package.keywords or package.unmask) a specific 
version of a package, such as =sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6 to use your example, 
you could instruct portage to unmask ebuild revisions of that same 
version using the ~ prefix: ~sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6 would match gcc-3.4.6 
and gcc-3.4.6-r*.  Handy for getting ebuild fixes on a package waiting 
to become stable.

Yay, random portage trivia!
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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

[Ryan Tandy]

JimD wrote:
> If the above is not doable, does anyone know of a good binary news
> reader for Linux?

What's wrong with Thunderbird?

> GrabIt is simple, fast and stable.  Though it
> is closed source and only runs on WinXP which doesn't help me now :-(

Wine ;)
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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

[JimD]

Ryan Tandy wrote:
> JimD wrote:
>> If the above is not doable, does anyone know of a good binary news
>> reader for Linux?
> 
> What's wrong with Thunderbird?

For binary news groups?  I could give it a shot.  However, Thunderbird
sucks up tons of memory for text-only news groups with a few hundred
posts.  I hat to see how much memory it uses for a news group with
100,000+ posts!

>> GrabIt is simple, fast and stable.  Though it
>> is closed source and only runs on WinXP which doesn't help me now :-(
> 
> Wine ;)

It does start up fine in Wine.  I will give it a go and see if it will
download and all that jazz.

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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

[JimD]

Ryan Tandy wrote:
> JimD wrote:
>> By the way, do you know if Gentoo considers an ebuild with an -rX on the
>> end to be newer?  For example which would emerge choose:
>>
>> sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6
>> or
>> sys-devel/gcc-3.4.6-r1
> 
> s/Gentoo/portage ;)

Ahh, yes, I had a brain freeze.

> Yay, random portage trivia!

Mmmm, portage trivia :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

[Richard Fish]

On 5/27/06, JimD <Jim@keeliegirl.dyndns.org> wrote:
> Part of me wanting to try kde again was because of the nice speed
> increase with startup times and gcc 4.1.  However, I don't know if this
> is try from experience.  Is kde 3.5 noticeably faster when compiled with
> gcc 4.1?

I'll let you know in a week or so once my emerge -e world finishes... :-)

Actually the last time I did this, it took about 16 hours to rebuild
everything....of course that was with openoffice-bin which I don't use
anymore.  Building OOo from source should add about 7 hours.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

[JimD]

Richard Fish wrote:

> I'll let you know in a week or so once my emerge -e world finishes... :-)

Same here.  Rebuilding world should take a while.


> Actually the last time I did this, it took about 16 hours to rebuild
> everything....of course that was with openoffice-bin which I don't use
> anymore.  Building OOo from source should add about 7 hours.

Do you find any benefit from building OOo yourself?  I built OOo once
about 2 years ago, and it took ages then.  Since then I have always just
use OOo-bin.

> -Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] net-nntp/klibido

[Richard Fish]

On 5/27/06, JimD <Jim@keeliegirl.dyndns.org> wrote:
> Richard Fish wrote:
>
> > I'll let you know in a week or so once my emerge -e world finishes... :-)
>
> Same here.  Rebuilding world should take a while.

Hold the phone!! OOo just completed building on my system in 4h 08m
07s.  When I get some time I'm going to have try that again with gcc
3.4.6 for a comparison...

> > Actually the last time I did this, it took about 16 hours to rebuild
> > everything....of course that was with openoffice-bin which I don't use
> > anymore.  Building OOo from source should add about 7 hours.
>
> Do you find any benefit from building OOo yourself?  I built OOo once
> about 2 years ago, and it took ages then.  Since then I have always just
> use OOo-bin.

Mostly size.  From my quickpkg collection:

carcharias All # bzcat openoffice-bin-2.0.2.tbz2 | wc -c
bzcat: openoffice-bin-2.0.2.tbz2: trailing garbage after EOF ignored
317675520
carcharias All # bzcat openoffice-2.0.2-r2.tbz2 | wc -c
bzcat: openoffice-2.0.2-r2.tbz2: trailing garbage after EOF ignored
286371840

Saved about 40M by compiling myself, by eliminating the duplicate
stuff in /usr/lib/openoffice (e.g., python).

But I have been loading OOo2 at login using the 'ooffice2 -nologo
-nodefault' method, so I didn't see (or expect to see) any
improvements in startup speed.  It is already typically one second or
less on my system.

-Richard

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