[gentoo-user] is kde 3.5 stable enough?

[gentoo-user] is kde 3.5 stable enough?

[b.n.]

Hi,
I still can't see KDE 3.5 in the stable x86. Since I'd like to try it, 
but I also don't like to rely on unstable (i.e. crashing, misworking) 
apps very much, I have a couple of questions for you...

1)What is the timeline for having 3.5 stable? If I have to wait still 1 
or 2 weeks, I don't mind, otherwise...

2)Does kde 3.5 pulls in a lot of ~x86 dependecies?

3)What are current known bugs/instabilities/issues/what of KDE 3.5 
packages I should be aware of? I don't use KDE itself (I'm happy with 
Fluxbox) but I use KDE apps very much (Konqueror,Kwrite,Kate,K3b...).

Thanks!
m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] is kde 3.5 stable enough?

[Steven S.]

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, b.n. wrote:

> Hi,
> I still can't see KDE 3.5 in the stable x86. Since I'd like to try it, but I 
> also don't like to rely on unstable (i.e. crashing, misworking) apps very 
> much, I have a couple of questions for you...
>
> 1)What is the timeline for having 3.5 stable? If I have to wait still 1 or 2 
> weeks, I don't mind, otherwise...
>
> 2)Does kde 3.5 pulls in a lot of ~x86 dependecies?
>
> 3)What are current known bugs/instabilities/issues/what of KDE 3.5 packages I 
> should be aware of? I don't use KDE itself (I'm happy with Fluxbox) but I use 
> KDE apps very much (Konqueror,Kwrite,Kate,K3b...).
>
> Thanks!
> m.
>

I've been using a totally ~x86 for a long time and never had an issue. KDE 
3.5 is working very well, I've not had a crash. I think the main thing 
going to be pulled in by anything is kdelibs, which you'd have to allow to 
be ~x86. Just make sure you run emerge -pv packages and it will tell you 
exactly what it's going to need.
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Re: [gentoo-user] is kde 3.5 stable enough?

[Ryan Holt]

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If I were to setup a KDE 3.5 environment, what packages aside from kde-base
should I setup with the ~amd64 exception in my /etc/portage/package.keywords
?

On 2/14/06, Steven S. <stupendoussteve@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006, b.n. wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I still can't see KDE 3.5 in the stable x86. Since I'd like to try it,
> but I
> > also don't like to rely on unstable (i.e. crashing, misworking) apps
> very
> > much, I have a couple of questions for you...
> >
> > 1)What is the timeline for having 3.5 stable? If I have to wait still 1
> or 2
> > weeks, I don't mind, otherwise...
> >
> > 2)Does kde 3.5 pulls in a lot of ~x86 dependecies?
> >
> > 3)What are current known bugs/instabilities/issues/what of KDE 3.5packages I
> > should be aware of? I don't use KDE itself (I'm happy with Fluxbox) but
> I use
> > KDE apps very much (Konqueror,Kwrite,Kate,K3b...).
> >
> > Thanks!
> > m.
> >
>
> I've been using a totally ~x86 for a long time and never had an issue. KDE
> 3.5 is working very well, I've not had a crash. I think the main thing
> going to be pulled in by anything is kdelibs, which you'd have to allow to
> be ~x86. Just make sure you run emerge -pv packages and it will tell you
> exactly what it's going to need.
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>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] is kde 3.5 stable enough?

[Richard Fish]

On 2/14/06, Ryan Holt <carpenike@gmail.com> wrote:
> If I were to setup a KDE 3.5 environment, what packages aside from kde-base
> should I setup with the ~amd64 exception in my /etc/portage/package.keywords
> ?

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64 emerge -pv kde-base/kdebase-meta

I highly recommend using the -meta builds for kdebase, and emerging
whatever other KDE applications you want, rather than using the
monolithic packages.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] is kde 3.5 stable enough?

[Richard Fish]

On 2/14/06, b.n. <brullonulla@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2)Does kde 3.5 pulls in a lot of ~x86 dependecies?

You can determine this yourself:

ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -pv kde-base/kdebase-meta

> 3)What are current known bugs/instabilities/issues/what of KDE 3.5
> packages I should be aware of? I don't use KDE itself (I'm happy with
> Fluxbox) but I use KDE apps very much (Konqueror,Kwrite,Kate,K3b...).

It has been stable for me...no crashes or glitches to speak of.  If
you actually use KDE, you need a new version of dbus/hal for hotplug
device integration.  Anyway why not search bugs.gentoo.org for this
information?

I think it is important to note that KDE 3.5 has been released as
stable by KDE for some time.  It is only the ebuilds that are still
marked as testing.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] is kde 3.5 stable enough?

[b.n.]

> You can determine this yourself:
> 
> ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~x86 emerge -pv kde-base/kdebase-meta

Shame on me. I did know... just didn't think about it.
Oh, well, just came back from 10 hours in the lab.

However I did it now and I noticed the USE flag "kdexdeltas", which 
description on gentoo-portage.com is:

"kdexdeltas -  Makes kde ebuilds download binary diffs rather than 
entire new tarballs for every new release"

how is it supposed to work?! does it work for every kind of C flag?

> It has been stable for me...no crashes or glitches to speak of.  If
> you actually use KDE, you need a new version of dbus/hal for hotplug
> device integration.  

Ok, it should be of no problem for me since I don't use HAL...

>Anyway why not search bugs.gentoo.org for this
> information?

Right, but this time I have an excuse :). I prefer to hear about "real 
life" issues. Things not marked as bugs but that I should be aware of 
("it breaks X, it's weird with Y"), things marked as bugs that perhaps 
are only seldomly appearing etc.etc.etc.

> I think it is important to note that KDE 3.5 has been released as
> stable by KDE for some time.  It is only the ebuilds that are still
> marked as testing.

Yes, I know. But I'm easily scared :P

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Re: [gentoo-user] is kde 3.5 stable enough?

[Zac Slade]

On Tuesday 14 February 2006 15:47, b.n. wrote:
> However I did it now and I noticed the USE flag "kdexdeltas", which
> description on gentoo-portage.com is:
>
> "kdexdeltas -  Makes kde ebuilds download binary diffs rather than
> entire new tarballs for every new release"
>
> how is it supposed to work?! does it work for every kind of C flag?
This will download binary source diffs against a previous release.  So if you 
have the kdelibs-3.4 tar ball it will just get the delta tar ball that will 
contain the binary diff from kdelibs-3.4->kdelibs-3.5  CFLAGS are irrelevant 
here.  It can save you a lot of bandwidth if the delta exists.

> > I think it is important to note that KDE 3.5 has been released as
> > stable by KDE for some time.  It is only the ebuilds that are still
> > marked as testing.
>
> Yes, I know. But I'm easily scared :P
Well kde 3.5.1 is probably one of the most solid releases in a while.  3.5 had 
some issues, but so far 3.5.1 seems almost as mature as 3.4.4 was. YMMV.
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Re: [gentoo-user] is kde 3.5 stable enough?

[b.n.]

> This will download binary source diffs against a previous release.  So if you 
> have the kdelibs-3.4 tar ball it will just get the delta tar ball that will 
> contain the binary diff from kdelibs-3.4->kdelibs-3.5  CFLAGS are irrelevant 
> here.  It can save you a lot of bandwidth if the delta exists.

o-o-ok, now I get it.
It downloads the binary diff of the TARBALL.
For a moment I thought it was a diff of the *compiled binaries*...

I must have throwed my grey matter away, tonight.

> Well kde 3.5.1 is probably one of the most solid releases in a while.  3.5 had 
> some issues, but so far 3.5.1 seems almost as mature as 3.4.4 was. YMMV.

That's what I wanted to know. I think I'll begin to emerge it these days...

m.
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Re: [gentoo-user] is kde 3.5 stable enough?

[Richard Fish]

On 2/14/06, b.n. <brullonulla@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Well kde 3.5.1 is probably one of the most solid releases in a while.  3.5 had
> > some issues, but so far 3.5.1 seems almost as mature as 3.4.4 was. YMMV.
>
> That's what I wanted to know. I think I'll begin to emerge it these days...

Also remember that KDE is slotted, so even if you find that something
in 3.5 doesn't work for you or that you don't like, you only have to
change/rename/delete the appropriate files in /etc/env.d to get 3.4
back.

Once you are satisfied with 3.5, you can do a emerge --prune --pretend
to help with removing the old KDE packages.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] is kde 3.5 stable enough?

[Philip Webb]

060214 b.n. wrote:
> I still can't see KDE 3.5 in the stable x86.

I'm always grateful for the devs' unpaid work (big smile),
but the KDE team does seem a bit over-cautious about stability sometimes.

> I don't like to rely on unstable -- crashing, misworking -- apps

The only problem I've had with 3.5.0 is Kpdf crashing on a 'recent document'.

> Does kde 3.5 pulls in a lot of ~x86 dependencies?

Not on this machine.

> I don't use KDE itself -- I'm happy with Fluxbox --
> but I use KDE apps very much, Konqueror,Kwrite,Kate,K3b...

I have Fluxbox installed as a back-up & configure KDE to be very simple:
KDE has an excellent facility for restarting apps with each session
& I like different backgrounds for my  10  desktops.

3.5.1 is the current testing version, which I may install next weekend.
I recommend using the individual packages, not the big metabuilds.

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