Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)

[kashani <kashani-list@badapple.net>]

Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote:
> no, I want an installation, that filters out everybody too dumb to read the 
> fucking manual.

	Where do you draw the line? Someday we're going to have real reverse 
dependecy checking, fixing, etc. So any idiot can blindly update x 
package and not have to realize that it was a major upgrade and manually 
check all his packages that depend on it and upgrade/rebuild those 
packages and restart the services. Is that too idiot proof?

You say coddling idiots, I say fixing broken or overly complicated 
processes.

	On a mailing list you're going to get questions stupid and otherwise. 
If you're not prepared to deal with this, unsubscribe or figure out how 
to use the delete button. I don't use Linux as a desktop so I generally 
delete 60-70% of the traffic in gentoo-user. You don't have to read the 
entire list.
	Let's take yet another of my real world examples that I like to use in 
place of random foaming at the mouth, The Gentoo Virtual Mail How-to. 
It's a decent How-to if you follow it exactly. By answering a hundred or 
so questions related to it in the forums I've been able to fix my 
installation faster when it broke, upgrade without problems, know 
exactly what errors are caused what symptoms, and ultimately change the 
original flawed design to work better and safer.

You say taking up space and bandwidth, I say QA testers though 
admittedly poorly trained.

	As for Gentoo being for idiots, I have a calendar at work. Every so 
often I mark a day a Super Genius when I think of something especially 
brillant. And every so often I mark a day as Befuddled by the Obvious 
for those days when I'm surprised that anyone actually lets me admin 
their network. Over the course of the year they generally total about 
the same. I suspect most of us are in the same boat. As long as Gentoo 
facilitates the Genius moments as well as keeping me a bit safer during 
the Befuddled moments it's striking the right balance.

You say we'll let in idiots, I say we have met the enemy and it is us.

kashani
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