RE: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

RE: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

[Jason Ausmus]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:listen@alexander.skwar.name] 
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:48 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature
> 
> You're answer was to a different question.

Whose answer was to a different question?

> 
> Ralph Slooten schrieb:
> 
> > gpg --gen-key
> 
> Wrong.
> 
> >> can anybody tell me methode to create my own pgp signature?
> 
> That's the question.

Was the answer Ralph gave not correct?  I don't understand what you're
trying to say...

> 
> Alexander Skwar
> 
> Posting out-of-order makes it easy to follow context.

?

> 
> -s
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> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

[Holly Bostick]

Jason Ausmus schreef:
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Skwar
>> [mailto:listen@alexander.skwar.name] Sent: Sunday, November 20,
>> 2005 3:48 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re:
>> [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature
>> 
>> You're answer was to a different question.
> 
> 
> Whose answer was to a different question?
> 
> 
>> Ralph Slooten schrieb:
>> 
>> 
>>> gpg --gen-key
>> 
>> Wrong.
>> 
>> 
>>>> can anybody tell me methode to create my own pgp signature?
>> 
>> That's the question.
> 
> 
> Was the answer Ralph gave not correct?  I don't understand what
> you're trying to say...
> 
> 
>> Alexander Skwar
>> 
>> Posting out-of-order makes it easy to follow context.
> 

Alexander may have been complaining about the top-posting, or maybe the
OP was not completely clear in the question, or maybe Ralph
misunderstood the difference between a /key pair/ and a /signature/:

gpg --help

Syntax: gpg [options] [files]
sign, check, encrypt or decrypt
default operation depends on the input data

Commands:

==> -s, --sign [file]             make a signature
     --clearsign [file]        make a clear text signature
 -b, --detach-sign             make a detached signature
 -e, --encrypt                 encrypt data
 -c, --symmetric               encryption only with symmetric cipher
 -d, --decrypt                 decrypt data (default)
     --verify                  verify a signature
     --list-keys               list keys
     --list-sigs               list keys and signatures
     --check-sigs              list and check key signatures
     --fingerprint             list keys and fingerprints
 -K, --list-secret-keys        list secret keys
==>     --gen-key                 generate a new key pair
     --delete-keys             remove keys from the public keyring
     --delete-secret-keys      remove keys from the secret keyring
     --sign-key                sign a key

So if the question really does relate to creating a signature, Ralph was
wrong. If the question was wrong, and a key pair needs to be generated
in order to sign something, then Ralph was right.

However, other than pointing this out by the simple expedient of
confusing everyone further, Alexander's reply was less than helpful,
since it neither pointed out why the answer given was presumably not
correct, or provided a correct answer if the answer given was in fact
not correct.

Awaiting more data in order to answer /your/ question, Jason (can not
compute).....

.... but everybody could just read the man page and work it out for
themselves, of course :) .

Holly
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Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

[Alexander Skwar]

Holly Bostick schrieb:
> Jason Ausmus schreef:
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alexander Skwar
>>> [mailto:listen@alexander.skwar.name] Sent: Sunday, November 20,
>>> 2005 3:48 AM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re:
>>> [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature
>>> 
>>> You're answer was to a different question.
>> 
>> 
>> Whose answer was to a different question?
>> 
>> 
>>> Ralph Slooten schrieb:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> gpg --gen-key
>>> 
>>> Wrong.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> can anybody tell me methode to create my own pgp signature?
>>> 
>>> That's the question.
>> 
>> 
>> Was the answer Ralph gave not correct?  I don't understand what
>> you're trying to say...
>> 
>> 
>>> Alexander Skwar
>>> 
>>> Posting out-of-order makes it easy to follow context.
>> 
> 
> Alexander may have been complaining about the top-posting,

Yep.

> or maybe the
> OP was not completely clear in the question,

Hm, possible as well, yes.

> or maybe Ralph
> misunderstood the difference between a /key pair/ and a /signature/:

That's what I assumed.

> Commands:
> 
> ==> -s, --sign [file]             make a signature

Yep. As I said - see the last line of my mail before the
mailinglist signature :) I don't think that it is helpful to
read  man pages or help output to people.

> So if the question really does relate to creating a signature, Ralph was
> wrong. If the question was wrong, and a key pair needs to be generated
> in order to sign something, then Ralph was right.

Yes.

> However, other than pointing this out by the simple expedient of
> confusing everyone further, Alexander's reply was less than helpful,
> since it neither pointed out why the answer given was presumably not
> correct, 

Uhm. Yes, I did not point that out. Why and how should I? OP
asked, how a signature can be created. That's a clear question.
I don't know how to explain, why --gen-key is the wrong answer.
It's just so plain totally wrong, that I just don't know how
to explain it.

> or provided a correct answer if the answer given was in fact
> not correct.

Oh, I did not? What about the "-s"? How's that not the "sign command"?

> .... but everybody could just read the man page and work it out for
> themselves, of course :) .

Or the help output. I wrote "gpg --help | grep 'make a'" which will,
among other things, return "-s". But that's not correct?

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

[Holly Bostick]

Alexander Skwar schreef:
> Holly Bostick schrieb:
> 
>> However, other than pointing this out by the simple expedient of 
>> confusing everyone further, Alexander's reply was less than
>> helpful, since it neither pointed out why the answer given was
>> presumably not correct,
> 
> 
> Uhm. Yes, I did not point that out. Why and how should I? OP asked,
> how a signature can be created. That's a clear question. I don't know
> how to explain, why --gen-key is the wrong answer. It's just so plain
> totally wrong, that I just don't know how to explain it.

Well, if someone asks how to create a signature, and someone else
answers how to provide a key pair, clearly someone is confused as to the
fact that a signature is not a key pair. Saying so explicitly (i.e.,
"this will generate a key pair, not a signature, and they are not the
same thing"), seems to be to be a simple way of saying why the answer is
wrong.

But that's just me and my conviction that people can't learn what you
don't tell 'em (with the corollary assumption that people ask questions
because they want to learn/know/understand something).
> 
> 
>> or provided a correct answer if the answer given was in fact not
>> correct.
> 
> Oh, I did not? What about the "-s"? How's that not the "sign
> command"?
> 

Sorry, Alexander-- I missed the *second* mail in which you did this.

In the mail quoted by Jason (the first mail), you were distinctly
obscure :-) , and that's the one I was referring to.

My mistake.

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

[Alexander Skwar]

Holly Bostick wrote:

> Well, if someone asks how to create a signature, and someone else
> answers how to provide a key pair, clearly someone is confused as to the
> fact that a signature is not a key pair. Saying so explicitly (i.e.,
> "this will generate a key pair, not a signature, and they are not the
> same thing"), seems to be to be a simple way of saying why the answer is
> wrong.

Okay.

>> Oh, I did not? What about the "-s"? How's that not the "sign
>> command"?
>> 
> 
> Sorry, Alexander-- I missed the *second* mail in which you did this.

That "-s" was in the first mail :) Last line of that mail.

> In the mail quoted by Jason (the first mail), you were distinctly
> obscure :-) , and that's the one I was referring to.

Yep, I was - on purpose.

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

[Ralph Slooten]

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Holly Bostick wrote:
> Well, if someone asks how to create a signature, and someone else
> answers how to provide a key pair, clearly someone is confused as to the
> fact that a signature is not a key pair.

No, actually I'm not confused as to the difference between a key pair
and a signature (been using pgp/gnupg for years), but to get one you
need the other, and users who have no idea where to begin with signing
most likely don't have a key pair to start with. It all depends on how
you interpret the question.

<@ Alexander>
As for "out-of-order" posting: when there is a short answer to a short
question, I *really* don't see the point, or the point of making it a
point considering it's a 4-line answer of a 3-line question.

For long detailed answers to a long question, yes, I agree 100%
(top-posting), but in this situation it was not the case.

Greetings
Ralph
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Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

[Alexander Skwar]

Jason Ausmus schrieb:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:listen@alexander.skwar.name] 
>> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2005 3:48 AM
>> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
>> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature
>> 
>> You're answer was to a different question.
> 
> Whose answer was to a different question?

The answer of the person, to whom I replied: Ralph Slooten.

>> >> can anybody tell me methode to create my own pgp signature?
>> 
>> That's the question.
> 
> Was the answer Ralph gave not correct?

No, it wasn't. It was the answer to a different question. He answered
the question: "How do I get a key pair?". But that wasn't asked for.

>  I don't understand what you're
> trying to say...

Ralphs answer was wrong and his posting style (full quote with top
post) is "suboptimal". I mixed my post up as well, to bring that
point across.

>> 
>> Alexander Skwar
>> 
>> Posting out-of-order makes it easy to follow context.
> 
> ?

Ralphs post was not in the correct order. The correct order
is the one that you and I am employing:

> Quote
Answer

He mixed that up.

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

[Peter Gordon]

Holly Bostick wrote:
> .... but everybody could just read the man page and work it out for
> themselves, of course :) .

Alternatively, one could read Gentoo's GnuPG documentation[1] or the
GnuPG Handbook[2]. :-)

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gnupg-user.xml
[2] http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/documentation/guides.html

Cheers.
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[gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

[El Nino]

dear friends,

can anybody tell me methode to create my own pgp signature?
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Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

[Ralph Slooten]

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gpg --gen-key

But you won't be able to use it with the gmail interface. I personally
use it with thunderbird (enigmail extension).

El Nino wrote:
> dear friends,
> 
> can anybody tell me methode to create my own pgp signature?
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Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

[Alexander Skwar]

You're answer was to a different question.

Ralph Slooten schrieb:

> gpg --gen-key

Wrong.

>> can anybody tell me methode to create my own pgp signature?

That's the question.

Alexander Skwar

Posting out-of-order makes it easy to follow context.

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Re: [gentoo-user] how to create a pgp signature

[Alexander Skwar]

El Nino schrieb:
> dear friends,
> 
> can anybody tell me methode to create my own pgp signature?

The man page of gnupg will tell: man gpg
It's also in the help output: LC_ALL=C gpg --help | grep 'make a'


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