From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E4t3h-0005eY-LB for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:28:18 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7G4QoI6017533; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:26:50 GMT Received: from dir.bg (mail.dir.bg [194.145.63.28]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7G4NDhZ016535 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 04:23:13 GMT Received: from [217.30.222.4] (account rumen_yotov [217.30.222.4] verified) by dir.bg (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 15014274 for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:23:49 +0300 Message-ID: <43016A4A.9070005@dir.bg> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 07:23:38 +0300 From: Rumen Yotov User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050724) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo or Linux from Scratch - Perspectives? References: <1124153934.13157.11.camel@localhost> <20050816131017.CBC2.NICK@rout.co.nz> <1124157381.11637.20.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1124157381.11637.20.camel@localhost> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms070505080608050404050506" X-Archives-Salt: 3b9ec9e6-4740-4ab0-b74d-53d1fd56f107 X-Archives-Hash: 3a79ee5c9b806aef605620d8af1bcfcb This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms070505080608050404050506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Paul Hoy wrote: >On Tue, 2005-08-16 at 13:11 +1200, Nick Rout wrote: > > >>On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:58:54 -0400 >>Paul Hoy wrote: >> >> >> >>>Coincidently, I received a bunch of Fedora 3 & 4 email >>>updates earlier today, which shows that Gentoo is behind 23 out of 24 of >>>the updates, some of them quite significantly. Most of them are >>>KDE-related files, >>> >>> >>That confirms my thoughts (which i posted yesterday). >> >>So can you clarify, is that 23/24 packages are behind on x86 or on ~x86? >> >>i.e. would an ~x86 gentoo be ahead or behind fedora? >> >> >> >> > > > Here also comes the question of "how far behind " as if it's a day or even a week that's nothing IMHO :p >My original email was 23/24 packages for x86. However, after reading >your email, I compared the first 10 kde updates with ~x86 releases. It >came out that Fedora was ahead 50 percent of the time or both distros >shared the same release versions. In case I'm doing something >incorrectly, you can also view the updates at >http://fedoraproject.org/infofeed/ > >Of course, this new comparison is between testing releases and so-called >stable Fedora releases. There is a Fedora extras/unstable list (Fedora >Core 4 Testing Updates) for that, but I don't receive that one. It also >should be noted that the updates I listed happen to be mostly for Fedora >3, not Fedora 4. I compared some Fedora 4 releases the other day and >shared them with this list and Fedora was ahead 90 percent of the time >(out of about 10 recent release comparisons). > >Finally, after doing a ~x86 compare, I noticed that fedora-announce-list >is slow to announce updates as most of the actual updates took place >around the beginning of August by Redhat people. Not sure why that is. > >Paul > > > Another thing "Fedora" is still closely related with RedHat (a child of), so being a paid Distro they have more resources/people etc. Gentoo is made/supported by non-paid devs so there must be a difference after all. Still another thought - see Ubuntu's fast rise, made by having mostly Debian unstable/testing packages with some customizations. IMO newest not is always the best (depends on the perspective of course). When running a ~x86 for some 6-7 months sometimes (not very often) bumped on a Bug, which only hours at most a day/two afterwards was solved, so being "on front line" requires much more time/resources then "a little behind". Just my thoughts. 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