From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E3HJM-0008Hn-O5 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:57:49 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j7BHu5xO019129; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:56:05 GMT Received: from smtp18.wxs.nl (smtp18.wxs.nl [195.121.6.14]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j7BHpIHH010011 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 17:51:19 GMT Received: from [10.0.0.150] (ip3e83ab52.speed.planet.nl [62.131.171.82]) by smtp18.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IL200EBOKAZQY@smtp18.wxs.nl> for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:52:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 19:51:41 +0200 From: Holly Bostick Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla & Google behind the scenes payola In-reply-to: <42FBA4CF.4070008@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Message-id: <42FB902D.5040307@planet.nl> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: nl-NL, nl, en User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050803) X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.0.0 References: <42F9EF6A.9060204@planet.nl> <42FBA4CF.4070008@gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 3ff24785-ef21-4be9-ab5d-75b30f0b0782 X-Archives-Hash: 0230b7af20a4a1206edc263d896beec6 Antoine schreef: > How would you feel if a company bought lots of > too-small-to-be-readily-visible flying cameras (like the mosquito-cams > in the Dan Brown book Deception Point :-)) and followed you around > wherever you went (in these "public" places, which would certainly > include shops but not the bathroom...)? Without you being conscious of it? > Very useful to follow someone around to get their (window)shopping > habits, and almost certainly completely illegal. How are these different > (apart from legality)? OK, now explain to me why they are "almost certainly illegal". My guess is because humans are made very uncomfortable by constant observation-- i.e., a lack of solitude, which condition is ever increasing. You are almost never alone; in fact one must really go out of one's way to be 'alone' in today's world. You are always reachable, if you have a cell phone. With video phones now here, you're not only reachable, but visible. No more picking up the phone naked and unkempt. Because, as social animals (and curious ones), we find it hard to resist picking up the phone when it rings. So this discomfort has been codified into law in some fashion (or several fashions), since we refuse to stop the march of technology (or slow the expansion of the human race, which is eating away at our ability to be 'private', which essentially means 'alone with our thoughts'. But this is a social issue masquerading as legalities. Because the actual fact of someone knowing where I shop (which many people know, without me being conscious of it) is not relevant to anything. *It doesn't matter if anyone knows this*, except insofar as they choose to use the information in a way that I'm not happy with, which is a fact of life on Planet Earth-- some proportion of people will use the information they have in a way I'm not happy with. The real issue is that knowing that such constant observation is occurring, without our active consciousness of it, or ability to control or limit it, *makes our skin crawl*, which is a human thing. That doesn't make it "bad" (in some eternal sense), any more than the fact that most people have a 'natural' fear of snakes (all snakes, even the harmless ones) makes snakes "bad". I understand that things that make our skin crawl are a 'problem' that we have to solve in order to manage a society successfully, but there's a big difference between 'agreements that humans make with each other to make our lives bearable' and 'natural law' (i.e., inalienable rights). I just wish we'd stop confusing the one with the other. Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list