From: Matt Randolph <mattr@erols.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla & Google behind the scenes payola
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 22:29:15 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <42FAB7FB.2050309@erols.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <42F9EF6A.9060204@planet.nl>
Holly Bostick wrote:
>Surfing the Internet is a lot like walking down the street.
>
>
Do you think Jane and John Doe computer users know that? Do you think
they know that what they do in Word and Outlook is private, and what
they do in Internet Explorer is public? It's only the distance of an
inch on the computer screen between the icons. How could they possibly
know it makes a whole world of difference?
>You can see me. The fact of my existence is not private.
>
>Because you can physically see me, you know a lot of things about me
>already.
>...
>All of this information is *personal*, but *not* "private",
>
>
If you saw someone following you in the street, writing down your every
action, documenting what you bought and at which stores you bought it
at... If you saw someone recording public but personal information
about you as you went about your business in public, would you not call
the police? What if someone was peering through the window of your home
yet did it while standing on the public right of way (the sidewalk)?
What if they had binoculars and a camera? Have you given up all of your
rights to privacy in your home by opening your curtains? If you had any
sense you would call the police on anyone who did any of those things to
you because that is harassment and it is none of their goddamned
business. It is YOUR business and when all is said and done it is one
of the few things in this world that you truly have.
How are these business practices fundamentally any different? Are they
different somehow because these companies can conduct their surveillance
invisibly? Does that somehow make it excusable?
>These issues are indeed worthy of watching (business practices usually
>are), but honestly, don't we have higher-priority "privacy" and security
>issues on our plates?
>
>Holly
>
Do you plan to worry about spying by corporations later on, after they
have essentially created an easement through your personal business?
What part of trying to preserve your fundamental right to privacy is not
vitally important right now?
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Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-08-09 19:52 [gentoo-user] [OT] Mozilla & Google behind the scenes payola John J. Foster
2005-08-09 21:05 ` Paul M Foster
2005-08-10 0:14 ` John J. Foster
2005-08-10 3:56 ` Bob Sanders
2005-08-10 11:33 ` Michael Kintzios
2005-08-10 12:13 ` Holly Bostick
2005-08-10 12:51 ` Neil Bothwick
2005-08-10 23:58 ` Iain Buchanan
2005-08-11 0:31 ` Holly Bostick
2005-08-11 10:10 ` Michael Kintzios
2005-08-11 12:39 ` Holly Bostick
2005-08-11 12:47 ` Michael Kintzios
2005-08-11 19:30 ` Antoine
2005-08-10 13:28 ` Michael Kintzios
2005-08-10 13:42 ` Hans-Werner Hilse
2005-08-11 0:00 ` Iain Buchanan
2005-08-11 21:38 ` Hans-Werner Hilse
2005-08-11 2:29 ` Matt Randolph [this message]
2005-08-11 14:07 ` Holly Bostick
2005-08-11 14:34 ` Holly Bostick
2005-08-11 15:48 ` Michael Kintzios
2005-08-11 20:19 ` Benno Schulenberg
2005-08-11 15:01 ` Ian K
2005-08-11 19:19 ` Antoine
2005-08-11 17:51 ` Holly Bostick
2005-08-12 2:51 ` Bob Sanders
2005-08-12 7:31 ` Neil Bothwick
2005-08-12 13:17 ` Holly Bostick
2005-08-12 14:22 ` Neil Bothwick
2005-08-12 15:16 ` Holly Bostick
2005-08-12 15:50 ` Neil Bothwick
2005-08-12 16:10 ` Uwe Thiem
2005-08-12 16:36 ` Michael Kintzios
2005-08-12 9:34 ` Michael Kintzios
2005-08-11 14:49 ` Paul M Foster
2005-08-10 16:17 ` Billy Holmes
2005-08-10 16:43 ` Holly Bostick
2005-08-10 17:17 ` Michael Crute
2005-08-10 23:34 ` Philip Webb
2005-08-10 12:17 ` Hans-Werner Hilse
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