[gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Fernando Meira]

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Hi,

I have recently emerged e16 for trial (I always used KDE) and I haven't 
explored it too much yet, but I'm quite happy with it. I'll be looking for a 
pretty desktop theme (which I haven't found yet) and arrange it to my way.
However, I been reading in forums about e17, which is still (who knows until 
when) development, and I was thinking about if it is worth to update my e16. 
How stable is e17? The new stuff worth it? Any comments about this?
Also, is there any links to HOWTO configure it (e16) and howto install&use 
those nice panels that I see on some screenshots? As i understood, some of 
them are from e17 libs, but work on e16, right?

cheers,
Fernando

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Luke Albers]

On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 14:45 +0200, Fernando Meira wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have recently emerged e16 for trial (I always used KDE) and I
> haven't explored it too much yet, but I'm quite happy with it. I'll be
> looking for a pretty desktop theme (which I haven't found yet) and
> arrange it to my way.
> However, I been reading in forums about e17, which is still (who knows
> until when) development, and I was thinking about if it is worth to
> update my e16. How stable is e17? The new stuff worth it? Any comments
> about this?
> Also, is there any links to HOWTO configure it (e16) and howto
> install&use those nice panels that I see on some screenshots? As i
> understood, some of them are from e17 libs, but work on e16, right?
> 

I have been using e17 every day for about 3 months, and it runs fine.  I
have never used e16 so I cant tell you if "the new stuff is worth it",
but e17 rocks.  

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[fire-eyes]

On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 14:45 +0200, Fernando Meira wrote:
> How stable is e17? The new stuff worth it? Any comments about this?

E17 is still beta or maybe even just alpha code. It is not stable by a
long shot, and I find it rather difficult to use, when everything
compiles (it often doesn't).

For experimenting I would say go ahead, and you can find a nice guide on
this at:

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_emerge_e17

Just remember it's very early code, and it may or may not build from one
day to the next.

But it's neat to toy with :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Christoph Gysin]

Fernando Meira wrote:
> I have recently emerged e16 for trial (I always used KDE) and I haven't 
> explored it too much yet, but I'm quite happy with it. I'll be looking 
> for a pretty desktop theme (which I haven't found yet) and arrange it to 
> my way.

Welcome to enlightenment!

> However, I been reading in forums about e17, which is still (who knows 
> until when) development, and I was thinking about if it is worth to 
> update my e16. How stable is e17? The new stuff worth it? Any comments 
> about this?

For a package which needs the KEYWORD '-*' it runs remarkably stable. Of course 
you can have bad luck while compiling the live-cvs ebuilds, but if you try again 
a little later everything builds fine. I update it about 2 times a week, and 
watch it grow since about half a year.

Be warned that most of the configuration for e17 still happens from the 
command-line. The GUI tools will follow, but that will take some time. I you're 
not afraid of using the CL, e17 will reward you with the most advanced graphical 
features you have ever seen from a WM, while beeing incredibly fast and 
lightweight a the same time!

The official enlightment home:
http://www.enlightenment.org/

Inofficial Themes, Backgrounds, Icons, Screenshots, Documentation, News:
http://www.get-e.org/

> Also, is there any links to HOWTO configure it (e16) and howto 
> install&use those nice panels that I see on some screenshots? As i 
> understood, some of them are from e17 libs, but work on e16, right?

Which panels are you referring to? Link to screenshot?

Christoph
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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Luke Albers]

On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 09:20 -0400, fire-eyes wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 14:45 +0200, Fernando Meira wrote:
> > How stable is e17? The new stuff worth it? Any comments about this?
> 
> E17 is still beta or maybe even just alpha code. It is not stable by a
> long shot, and I find it rather difficult to use, when everything
> compiles (it often doesn't).
> 
> For experimenting I would say go ahead, and you can find a nice guide on
> this at:
> 
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_emerge_e17
> 
> Just remember it's very early code, and it may or may not build from one
> day to the next.
> 
> But it's neat to toy with :)
> 


I run this every day to recompile from CVS.  Somtimes it compiles,
sometimes it doesnt, but I dont really care.  I don't think it is
difficult to use at all, you will rarely need to change much from the
command line.  The only thing that can be a bitch is making all the eapp
files, but you can get other peoples' and use them.

echo ">=x11-wm/e-9999 -*
>=dev-db/edb-9999 -*
>=dev-libs/eet-9999 -*
>=media-libs/imlib2-9999 -*
>=media-libs/imlib2_loaders-9999 -*
>=x11-libs/evas-9999 -*
>=x11-libs/ecore-9999 -*
>=media-libs/epeg-9999 -*
>=media-libs/epsilon-9999 -*
>=dev-libs/embryo-9999 -*
>=media-libs/edje-9999 -*
>=x11-libs/esmart-9999 -*
>=media-libs/etox-9999 -*
>=x11-libs/ewl-9999 -*
>=dev-libs/engrave-9999 -*
>=dev-util/e_utils-9999 -*
>=x11-misc/entrance-9999 -*
>=app-misc/evidence-9999 -*
>=x11-misc/engage-9999 -*
>=media-gfx/elicit-9999 -*
>=media-gfx/entice-9999 -*
>=media-video/elation-9999 -*
>=media-video/envision-9999 -*
>=app-misc/examine-9999 -*
>=media-libs/emotion-9999 -*
>=mail-client/embrace-9999 -*   
>=net-news/erss-9999 -*         
>=media-video/eclair-9999 -*    
>=sci-calculators/equate-9999 -*
>=x11-plugins/e_modules-9999 -*" > /etc/portage/package.keywords &&
emerge -v edb eet imlib2 imlib2_loaders evas ecore epeg epsilon embryo
edje esmart emotion etox ewl e engrave e_utils entrance evidence engage
elicit entice elation envision examine equate erss embrace eclair
e_modules 


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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Christoph Gysin]

Luke Albers wrote:
> I run this every day to recompile from CVS.  Somtimes it compiles,
> sometimes it doesnt, but I dont really care.  I don't think it is
> difficult to use at all, you will rarely need to change much from the
> command line.  The only thing that can be a bitch is making all the eapp
> files, but you can get other peoples' and use them.

I'd suggest running this once:

echo "
=x11-wm/e-9999 -*
=dev-db/edb-9999 -*
=dev-libs/eet-9999 -*
=media-libs/imlib2-9999 -*
=media-libs/imlib2_loaders-9999 -*
=x11-libs/evas-9999 -*
=x11-libs/ecore-9999 -*
=media-libs/epeg-9999 -*
=media-libs/epsilon-9999 -*
=dev-libs/embryo-9999 -*
=media-libs/edje-9999 -*
=x11-libs/esmart-9999 -*
=media-libs/etox-9999 -*
=x11-libs/ewl-9999 -*
=dev-libs/engrave-9999 -*
=dev-util/e_utils-9999 -*
=x11-misc/entrance-9999 -*
=app-misc/evidence-9999 -*
=x11-misc/engage-9999 -*
=media-gfx/elicit-9999 -*
=media-gfx/entice-9999 -*
=media-video/elation-9999 -*
=media-video/envision-9999 -*
=app-misc/examine-9999 -*
=media-libs/emotion-9999 -*
=mail-client/embrace-9999 -*
=net-news/erss-9999 -*
=media-video/eclair-9999 -*
=sci-calculators/equate-9999 -*
=x11-plugins/e_modules-9999 -*
" >> /etc/portage/package.keywords

and then the following each time you want to update:

emerge -v edb eet imlib2 imlib2_loaders evas ecore epeg epsilon embryo
edje esmart emotion etox ewl e engrave e_utils entrance evidence engage
elicit entice elation envision examine equate erss embrace eclair
e_modules

Else you'll lose everything previously defined in your package.keywords :-(

Christoph
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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Luke Albers]

On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 17:59 +0200, Christoph Gysin wrote:
...
> I'd suggest running this once:
> 
...
> and then the following each time you want to update:
> 
> emerge -v edb eet imlib2 imlib2_loaders evas ecore epeg epsilon embryo
> edje esmart emotion etox ewl e engrave e_utils entrance evidence engage
> elicit entice elation envision examine equate erss embrace eclair
> e_modules
> 
> Else you'll lose everything previously defined in your package.keywords :-(


good call.  I don't have anything else in that file so I didnt really
pay any attention to what that script was doing.  

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Fernando Meira]

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Thank you all for answering :)

I'm getting the feeling that I should go for e17 after what I've been seeing 
and reading!!! (though a few guys returned back to e16 afterwards).

Luke, you been using it for 3 months and never used e16. So, would you said 
that I should start my experience with enlightenment wm in its newer version 
and skip the learning stage in its stable version? :)

Christoph, I can't find the screenshot I saw and made me think about moving 
to E, but this one is also good and has the panel (right under the IM app) I 
was talking about: 
http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~uriel/images/screen.jpg<http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/%7Euriel/images/screen.jpg>
My aim for the desktop look is something simple, with gentoo icons at the 
bottom for shortcuts to most used apps and that stuff (calendar and info 
panel)... [now I think that I may misused the word "panel".. sorry!] I will 
need help to make it look like that.. and guide or howto?

A question before emerging e17: that won't replace e16, right?

So, I'll do the steps you provided me and emerge e17. I'll cross my fingers 
and hope it compiles.

echo "
> =x11-wm/e-9999 -*
> =dev-db/edb-9999 -*
> =dev-libs/eet-9999 -*
> =media-libs/imlib2-9999 -*
> =media-libs/imlib2_loaders-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/evas-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/ecore-9999 -*
> =media-libs/epeg-9999 -*
> =media-libs/epsilon-9999 -*
> =dev-libs/embryo-9999 -*
> =media-libs/edje-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/esmart-9999 -*
> =media-libs/etox-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/ewl-9999 -*
> =dev-libs/engrave-9999 -*
> =dev-util/e_utils-9999 -*
> =x11-misc/entrance-9999 -*
> =app-misc/evidence-9999 -*
> =x11-misc/engage-9999 -*
> =media-gfx/elicit-9999 -*
> =media-gfx/entice-9999 -*
> =media-video/elation-9999 -*
> =media-video/envision-9999 -*
> =app-misc/examine-9999 -*
> =media-libs/emotion-9999 -*
> =mail-client/embrace-9999 -*
> =net-news/erss-9999 -*
> =media-video/eclair-9999 -*
> =sci-calculators/equate-9999 -*
> =x11-plugins/e_modules-9999 -*
> " >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
> 
> emerge -v edb eet imlib2 imlib2_loaders evas ecore epeg epsilon embryo
> edje esmart emotion etox ewl e engrave e_utils entrance evidence engage
> elicit entice elation envision examine equate erss embrace eclair
> e_modules
> 

Cheers,
Fernando

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Fernando Meira]

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Thank you all for answering :)

I'm getting the feeling that I should go for e17 after what I've been seeing 
and reading!!! (though a few guys returned back to e16 afterwards).

Luke, you been using it for 3 months and never used e16. So, would you said 
that I should start my experience with enlightenment wm in its newer version 
and skip the learning stage in its stable version? :)

Christoph, I can't find the screenshot I saw and made me think about moving 
to E, but this one is also good and has the panel (right under the IM app) I 
was talking about: 
http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~uriel/images/screen.jpg<http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/%7Euriel/images/screen.jpg>
My aim for the desktop look is something simple, with gentoo icons at the 
bottom for shortcuts to most used apps and that stuff (calendar and info 
panel)... [now I think that I may misused the word "panel".. sorry!] I will 
need help to make it look like that.. and guide or howto?

A question before emerging e17: that won't replace e16, right?

So, I'll do the steps you provided me and emerge e17. I'll cross my fingers 
and hope it compiles.

echo "
> =x11-wm/e-9999 -*
> =dev-db/edb-9999 -*
> =dev-libs/eet-9999 -*
> =media-libs/imlib2-9999 -*
> =media-libs/imlib2_loaders-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/evas-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/ecore-9999 -*
> =media-libs/epeg-9999 -*
> =media-libs/epsilon-9999 -*
> =dev-libs/embryo-9999 -*
> =media-libs/edje-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/esmart-9999 -*
> =media-libs/etox-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/ewl-9999 -*
> =dev-libs/engrave-9999 -*
> =dev-util/e_utils-9999 -*
> =x11-misc/entrance-9999 -*
> =app-misc/evidence-9999 -*
> =x11-misc/engage-9999 -*
> =media-gfx/elicit-9999 -*
> =media-gfx/entice-9999 -*
> =media-video/elation-9999 -*
> =media-video/envision-9999 -*
> =app-misc/examine-9999 -*
> =media-libs/emotion-9999 -*
> =mail-client/embrace-9999 -*
> =net-news/erss-9999 -*
> =media-video/eclair-9999 -*
> =sci-calculators/equate-9999 -*
> =x11-plugins/e_modules-9999 -*
> " >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
> 
> emerge -v edb eet imlib2 imlib2_loaders evas ecore epeg epsilon embryo
> edje esmart emotion etox ewl e engrave e_utils entrance evidence engage
> elicit entice elation envision examine equate erss embrace eclair
> e_modules
> 

Cheers,
Fernando

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Fernando Meira]

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I might be wrong, but isn't that a unnecessary step?? 
Even though you don't have anything else in package.keywords, once you 
specify there the packages to unmask, you don't need to do it again when you 
want to update E, right? Just running the 'emerge (...)' would suffice...

Fernando

On 8/3/05, Luke Albers <gtg940r@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:

> 
> good call. I don't have anything else in that file so I didnt really
> pay any attention to what that script was doing.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

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Another doubt:

For emerging engage I had to mask a few packages (from snapshot instead of 
cvs):
x11-misc/engage ~x86
x11-libs/ecore ~x86
x11-libs/evas ~x86
dev-libs/eet ~x86
media-libs/edje ~x86
dev-libs/embryo ~x86
x11-libs/ewl ~x86
media-libs/etox ~x86
app-misc/examine ~x86
x11-libs/esmart ~x86
media-libs/epsilon ~x86
media-libs/epeg ~x86

And in the E docs, there is this sentence:
"Note that you should not mix -* and ~x86 ebuilds."

So is it enough that I just change everything to -* and all packages will be 
upgraded, or will I need to unmerge every package before?

Thanks,
Fernando

On 8/3/05, Christoph Gysin <cgysin@gmx.ch> wrote:
> 
> echo "
> =x11-wm/e-9999 -*
> =dev-db/edb-9999 -*
> =dev-libs/eet-9999 -*
> =media-libs/imlib2-9999 -*
> =media-libs/imlib2_loaders-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/evas-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/ecore-9999 -*
> =media-libs/epeg-9999 -*
> =media-libs/epsilon-9999 -*
> =dev-libs/embryo-9999 -*
> =media-libs/edje-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/esmart-9999 -*
> =media-libs/etox-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/ewl-9999 -*
> =dev-libs/engrave-9999 -*
> =dev-util/e_utils-9999 -*
> =x11-misc/entrance-9999 -*
> =app-misc/evidence-9999 -*
> =x11-misc/engage-9999 -*
> =media-gfx/elicit-9999 -*
> =media-gfx/entice-9999 -*
> =media-video/elation-9999 -*
> =media-video/envision-9999 -*
> =app-misc/examine-9999 -*
> =media-libs/emotion-9999 -*
> =mail-client/embrace-9999 -*
> =net-news/erss-9999 -*
> =media-video/eclair-9999 -*
> =sci-calculators/equate-9999 -*
> =x11-plugins/e_modules-9999 -*
> " >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
> emerge -v edb eet imlib2 imlib2_loaders evas ecore epeg epsilon embryo
> edje esmart emotion etox ewl e engrave e_utils entrance evidence engage
> elicit entice elation envision examine equate erss embrace eclair
> e_modules
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Fernando Meira]

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Another doubt:

For emerging engage I had to mask a few packages (from snapshot instead of 
cvs):
x11-misc/engage ~x86
x11-libs/ecore ~x86
x11-libs/evas ~x86
dev-libs/eet ~x86
media-libs/edje ~x86
dev-libs/embryo ~x86
x11-libs/ewl ~x86
media-libs/etox ~x86
app-misc/examine ~x86
x11-libs/esmart ~x86
media-libs/epsilon ~x86
media-libs/epeg ~x86

And in the E docs, there is this sentence:
"Note that you should not mix -* and ~x86 ebuilds."

So is it enough that I just change everything to -* and all packages will be 
upgraded, or will I need to unmerge every package before?

Thanks,
Fernando

On 8/3/05, Christoph Gysin <cgysin@gmx.ch> wrote:
> 
> echo "
> =x11-wm/e-9999 -*
> =dev-db/edb-9999 -*
> =dev-libs/eet-9999 -*
> =media-libs/imlib2-9999 -*
> =media-libs/imlib2_loaders-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/evas-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/ecore-9999 -*
> =media-libs/epeg-9999 -*
> =media-libs/epsilon-9999 -*
> =dev-libs/embryo-9999 -*
> =media-libs/edje-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/esmart-9999 -*
> =media-libs/etox-9999 -*
> =x11-libs/ewl-9999 -*
> =dev-libs/engrave-9999 -*
> =dev-util/e_utils-9999 -*
> =x11-misc/entrance-9999 -*
> =app-misc/evidence-9999 -*
> =x11-misc/engage-9999 -*
> =media-gfx/elicit-9999 -*
> =media-gfx/entice-9999 -*
> =media-video/elation-9999 -*
> =media-video/envision-9999 -*
> =app-misc/examine-9999 -*
> =media-libs/emotion-9999 -*
> =mail-client/embrace-9999 -*
> =net-news/erss-9999 -*
> =media-video/eclair-9999 -*
> =sci-calculators/equate-9999 -*
> =x11-plugins/e_modules-9999 -*
> " >> /etc/portage/package.keywords
> emerge -v edb eet imlib2 imlib2_loaders evas ecore epeg epsilon embryo
> edje esmart emotion etox ewl e engrave e_utils entrance evidence engage
> elicit entice elation envision examine equate erss embrace eclair
> e_modules
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Luke Albers]

On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 16:56 +0000, Fernando Meira wrote:
> I might be wrong, but isn't that a unnecessary step?? 
> Even though you don't have anything else in package.keywords, once you
> specify there the packages to unmask, you don't need to do it again
> when you want to update E, right? Just running the 'emerge (...)'
> would suffice...
> 
> Fernando
> 
> On 8/3/05, Luke Albers <gtg940r@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:
>         
>         good call.  I don't have anything else in that file so I didnt
>         really
>         pay any attention to what that script was doing. 
>         
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>         
> 


yeah you only need to do the package.keywords stuff once.  I just pasted
that all into a script the first time I compiled E17, and kept running
it every day.  

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Luke Albers]

On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 16:51 +0000, Fernando Meira wrote:
> Thank you all for answering :)
> 
> I'm getting the feeling that I should go for e17 after what I've been
> seeing and reading!!! (though a few guys returned back to e16
> afterwards).
> 
> Luke, you been using it for 3 months and never used e16. So, would you
> said that I should start my experience with enlightenment wm in its
> newer version and skip the learning stage in its stable version? :)
> 

I dont see any reason not to try e17.  I also dont see any reason not to
try e16 if you think it looks interesting as well.  I think e17 is going
to be, if its not already, better in just about every way than e16.

I don't think that emergeing e17 will overwrite e16, because the
executable for e17 is called enlightenment-0.17, which probably was done
intentionally so that "enlightenment" from e16 wouldnt be overwritten 

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Luke Albers]

On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 17:28 +0000, Fernando Meira wrote:
> Another doubt:
> 
> For emerging engage I had to mask a few packages (from snapshot
> instead of cvs):
> x11-misc/engage ~x86
> x11-libs/ecore ~x86
> x11-libs/evas ~x86
> dev-libs/eet ~x86
> media-libs/edje ~x86
> dev-libs/embryo ~x86
> x11-libs/ewl ~x86
> media-libs/etox ~x86
> app-misc/examine ~x86
> x11-libs/esmart ~x86
> media-libs/epsilon ~x86
> media-libs/epeg ~x86
> 
> And in the E docs, there is this sentence:
>  "Note that you should not mix -* and ~x86 ebuilds."
> 
> So is it enough that I just change everything to -* and all packages
> will be upgraded, or will I need to unmerge every package before?
> 
> Thanks,
> Fernando
> 

I don't really understand the problem.

I use ~x86 for everything.  What I pasted in my previous email works
fine for me.  I don't really know what engage is, but I tried to run it
one time and I dont think it worked, I got some strange black block on
the bottom of my screen, so I killed it.


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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Fernando Meira]

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On 8/3/05, Luke Albers <gtg940r@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:

> 
> I don't really understand the problem.
> 
> I use ~x86 for everything. What I pasted in my previous email works
> fine for me. I don't really know what engage is, but I tried to run it
> one time and I dont think it worked, I got some strange black block on
> the bottom of my screen, so I killed it.
> 

engage is a dockbar and E17 module.
What I was saying is that you masked the packages as -* (for the cvs 
version). Masking them with ~x86 would give you the snapshot version. So, 
following from you script, you masked them as -*. But, I already installed a 
small set (while emerging engage) masked as ~x86. 
So I wanted to know if I should just replace ~x86 per -* (and add the 
remaining packages) or would I need to unmerge the installed packages and 
redo everything using -* for all packages.

This because is not good idea to mix ebuilds from -* and ~x86.

Hope it's clear now...
Cheers,
Fernando

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Luke Albers]

On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 18:55 +0000, Fernando Meira wrote:
> On 8/3/05, Luke Albers <gtg940r@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:
>         
>         I don't really understand the problem.
>         
>         I use ~x86 for everything.  What I pasted in my previous email
>         works 
>         fine for me.  I don't really know what engage is, but I tried
>         to run it
>         one time and I dont think it worked, I got some strange black
>         block on
>         the bottom of my screen, so I killed it.
> 
> engage is a dockbar and E17 module.
> What I was saying is that you masked the packages as -* (for the cvs
> version). Masking them with ~x86 would give you the snapshot version.
> So, following from you script, you masked them as -*. But, I already
> installed a small set (while emerging engage) masked as ~x86. 
> So I wanted to know if I should just replace ~x86 per -* (and add the
> remaining packages) or would I need to unmerge the installed packages
> and redo everything using -* for all packages.
> 
> This because is not good idea to mix ebuilds from -* and ~x86.
> 
> Hope it's clear now...
> Cheers,
> Fernando

I would guess it would be best to redo them with -* so you get
everything from CVS

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Fernando Meira]

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yes, i agree.
I just hope that's enough.
I'll emerge e17 now :D
I'll bring news.. soon..

Cheers,
Fernando.

On 8/3/05, Luke Albers <gtg940r@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 18:55 +0000, Fernando Meira wrote:
> > On 8/3/05, Luke Albers <gtg940r@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:
> >
> > I don't really understand the problem.
> >
> > I use ~x86 for everything. What I pasted in my previous email
> > works
> > fine for me. I don't really know what engage is, but I tried
> > to run it
> > one time and I dont think it worked, I got some strange black
> > block on
> > the bottom of my screen, so I killed it.
> >
> > engage is a dockbar and E17 module.
> > What I was saying is that you masked the packages as -* (for the cvs
> > version). Masking them with ~x86 would give you the snapshot version.
> > So, following from you script, you masked them as -*. But, I already
> > installed a small set (while emerging engage) masked as ~x86.
> > So I wanted to know if I should just replace ~x86 per -* (and add the
> > remaining packages) or would I need to unmerge the installed packages
> > and redo everything using -* for all packages.
> >
> > This because is not good idea to mix ebuilds from -* and ~x86.
> >
> > Hope it's clear now...
> > Cheers,
> > Fernando
> 
> I would guess it would be best to redo them with -* so you get
> everything from CVS
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Justin Patrin]

On 8/3/05, Fernando Meira <fmeira@gmail.com> wrote:
> yes, i agree.
>  I just hope that's enough.
>  I'll emerge e17 now :D
>  I'll bring news.. soon..
>  

I'm trying e17 as well after reading this ;-)

I suggest emerging edge before epsilon or you'll get compile errors.

> 
> 
> On 8/3/05, Luke Albers <gtg940r@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-08-03 at 18:55 +0000, Fernando Meira wrote:
> > > On 8/3/05, Luke Albers <gtg940r@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > >         I don't really understand the problem. 
> > >
> > >         I use ~x86 for everything.  What I pasted in my previous email
> > >         works
> > >         fine for me.  I don't really know what engage is, but I tried
> > >         to run it
> > >         one time and I dont think it worked, I got some strange black 
> > >         block on
> > >         the bottom of my screen, so I killed it.
> > >
> > > engage is a dockbar and E17 module.
> > > What I was saying is that you masked the packages as -* (for the cvs
> > > version). Masking them with ~x86 would give you the snapshot version. 
> > > So, following from you script, you masked them as -*. But, I already
> > > installed a small set (while emerging engage) masked as ~x86.
> > > So I wanted to know if I should just replace ~x86 per -* (and add the 
> > > remaining packages) or would I need to unmerge the installed packages
> > > and redo everything using -* for all packages.
> > >
> > > This because is not good idea to mix ebuilds from -* and ~x86.
> > >
> > > Hope it's clear now...
> > > Cheers,
> > > Fernando
> > 
> > I would guess it would be best to redo them with -* so you get
> > everything from CVS
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> 
>  


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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Fernando Meira]

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On 8/3/05, Justin Patrin <papercrane@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm trying e17 as well after reading this ;-)


Great Justin :)

I suggest emerging edge before epsilon or you'll get compile errors.
> 

I just finish compiling it and I got no problems (at least that I'm aware 
of)... so it also works with this sequence :)

I found this script which uses portage to update E17, but checks if packages 
were modified since last update. When the first package is found, that one 
and the remaining (onwards) are emerged. This seems to save a time compiling 
unmodified packages!

Also found other scripts to compile directly from cvs, without using 
portage. Can anyone tell me what the advantage of doing so?

Christoph, is there so many modifications to update E17 every day? What 
about once a week?

the script:
 #!/bin/bash 

CONTINUE=1 
####### This is not a complete list of e17 packages!! ##### 
E_LIST="eet\ 
edb\ 
evas\ 
ecore\ 
embryo\ 
edje\ 
epeg\ 
epsilon\ 
esmart\ 
engrave\ 
ewl\ 
e\ 
e_utils\ 
engage\ 
e_modules" 

echo -ne " \033[01;33m *\033[01;00;0m Do you want to run rsync to backup 
current cvs? [Enter/Yes or No]: "; 
read REPLY; 
case $REPLY in 
"" | [yY]*) 
rsync --progress --delete -ab /usr/portage/distfiles/cvs-src/e17 
/mnt/backups; 
;; 
*) 
echo -e " \033[01;33m *\033[01;00;0m Continuing to emerge"; 
;; 
esac

for i in $E_LIST 
do 
echo -e " \033[01;33m *\033[01;00;0m Updating $i cvs"; 
if [[ $CONTINUE -eq 1 ]]; then 
E_PATH=`equery which $i`; 
UPDATE=`ebuild $E_PATH unpack | grep -e "^[UP]"`; 
echo $UPDATE; 
ebuild $E_PATH clean; 
if [ ! -z "$UPDATE" ]; then 
CONTINUE=0; 
echo -e " \033[01;33m *\033[01;00;0m Waiting 10 sec before continuing with 
emerge from this package onwards... package = $i"; 
echo -ne " \033[01;31m *\033[01;00;0m " 
for j in $( seq 1 10 ) 
do 
echo -ne "\033[01;31m$(( 11-j ))\033[01;00;0m "; 
sleep 1; 
done 
echo " "; 
fi
fi
[[ $CONTINUE -eq 0 ]] && emerge --oneshot $i; 
# [[ $CONTINUE -eq 0 ]] && echo -e " \033[01;33m *\033[01;00;0m emerge 
--oneshot $i"; 
done
 
Cheers,
Fernando

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Christoph Gysin]

Fernando Meira wrote:
> Christoph, I can't find the screenshot I saw and made me think about 
> moving to E, but this one is also good and has the panel (right under 
> the IM app) I was talking about: 
> http://www.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/~uriel/images/screen.jpg 

In the browser window you can see the guy describing his dektop in the gentoo 
forums:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-282082.html

It seems like you're looking for the gdesklets.

> My aim for the desktop look is something simple, with gentoo icons at 
> the bottom for shortcuts to most used apps and that stuff (calendar and 
> info panel)... [now I think that I may misused the word "panel".. 
> sorry!] I will need help to make it look like that.. and guide or howto?

With e17 you'll get engage, an OSX like iconbar. For the calendar and info panel 
you could use gdesklets and gdeskcal (like on the screenshot).

> A question before emerging e17: that won't replace e16, right?

No problem, they won't interfere with each other.

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Christoph Gysin]

Fernando Meira wrote:
> And in the E docs, there is this sentence:
>  "Note that you should not mix -* and ~x86 ebuilds."
> 
> So is it enough that I just change everything to -* and all packages 
> will be upgraded, or will I need to unmerge every package before?

Just keyword all packages -* and update everything. unmerging is handled by 
portage, as you would expect it ;-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Christoph Gysin]

Fernando Meira wrote:
> Also found other scripts to compile directly from cvs, without using 
> portage. Can anyone tell me what the advantage of doing so?

I'd suggest using portage since it allows you to uninstall, query information 
and doing other nice package managment stuff.

> Christoph, is there so many modifications to update E17 every day? What 
> about once a week?

I update about once or twice a week. Mostly after raster has commited some new 
stuff. See [1] or [2] for news on e17.

[1] http://www.get-e.org/Main/News/
or via RSS: http://www.get-e.org/Main/News/feed.xml
[2] http://www.edevelop.org/

You could also watch for CVS changes yourself:

$ cd /usr/portage/distfiles/cvs-src/e17
$ cvs -nq up
$ cd /usr/portage/distfiles/cvs-src/misc
$ cvs -nq up

Every line starting with 'U' got updated.

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Fernando Meira]

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Ok, thanks Christoph.

I'm just trying E17 for the first time now, and the first impression is 
good.
However, there a weird behaviour with the mouse. The mouse pointer 
disappears very frequently, crashing from time to time one application. 
xterm blew aways few minutes ago. In fact, this is the second time I'm 
writing this mail, cause 1 minute ago E17 crashed and I was send back to 
entrance.
So, from these, does it look like a bug, mouse bad-config or something else?
I dont know if I dare to open xterm again to post here my xorg.conf... 
Any idea?

Fernando

On 8/4/05, Christoph Gysin <cgysin@gmx.ch> wrote:
> 
> Fernando Meira wrote:
> > Also found other scripts to compile directly from cvs, without using
> > portage. Can anyone tell me what the advantage of doing so?
> 
> I'd suggest using portage since it allows you to uninstall, query 
> information
> and doing other nice package managment stuff.
> 
> > Christoph, is there so many modifications to update E17 every day? What
> > about once a week?
> 
> I update about once or twice a week. Mostly after raster has commited some 
> new
> stuff. See [1] or [2] for news on e17.
> 
> [1] http://www.get-e.org/Main/News/
> or via RSS: http://www.get-e.org/Main/News/feed.xml
> [2] http://www.edevelop.org/
> 
> You could also watch for CVS changes yourself:
> 
> $ cd /usr/portage/distfiles/cvs-src/e17
> $ cvs -nq up
> $ cd /usr/portage/distfiles/cvs-src/misc
> $ cvs -nq up
> 
> Every line starting with 'U' got updated.
> 
> Christoph
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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Luke Albers]

On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 17:53 +0000, Fernando Meira wrote:
> Ok, thanks Christoph.

> So, from these, does it look like a bug, mouse bad-config or something
> else?


I doubt its a big, since I haven't had this happen.  I have had e17
crash a few times, but not as often as it sounds like yours is.

Sorry I can't help more than that.

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Fernando Meira]

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Thanks anyway Luke!

This looks like a crazy mouse behaviour... suddenly jumps to another place 
and open the menu. 
I think E17 never crashed (as I said before), but, in fact, what happen (at 
least the last time) was that when the pointer jumped away, opened the menu 
and (because I was trying to move the mouse, looking for it, or always 
happens this) selected the "exit enlightenment" option. I already logged out 
3 times without being my intention. 
Everything else seems to be going ok, just this mouse is causing a mess in 
here... quite hard to do anything...

The mouse is connected to the PS2, and xorg.conf has:
Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "Auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/input/mouse0"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Cheers,
Fernando
On 8/4/05, Luke Albers <gtg940r@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 17:53 +0000, Fernando Meira wrote:
> > Ok, thanks Christoph.
> 
> > So, from these, does it look like a bug, mouse bad-config or something
> > else?
> 
> 
> I doubt its a big, since I haven't had this happen. I have had e17
> crash a few times, but not as often as it sounds like yours is.
> 
> Sorry I can't help more than that.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Luke Albers]

On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 18:26 +0000, Fernando Meira wrote:
> Thanks anyway Luke!
> 
> This looks like a crazy mouse behaviour... suddenly jumps to another
> place and open the menu. 
> I think E17 never crashed (as I said before), but, in fact, what
> happen (at least the last time) was that when the pointer jumped away,
> opened the menu and (because I was trying to move the mouse, looking
> for it, or always happens this) selected the "exit enlightenment"
> option. I already logged out 3 times without being my intention. 
> Everything else seems to be going ok, just this mouse is causing a
> mess in here... quite hard to do anything...
> 
> The mouse is connected to the PS2, and xorg.conf has:
> Section "InputDevice"
>         Identifier  "Mouse0"
>         Driver      "mouse"
>         Option      "Protocol" "Auto"
>         Option      "Device" "/dev/input/mouse0"
>         Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> EndSection
> 
> Cheers,
> Fernando

You should subscribe to the enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net
mailing list and post this same message there.  It probably has
something to do with the WM rather than your X config if it worked just
fine with another window manager


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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Fernando Meira]

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Yes... that would maybe be good idea.
I'm using now the touchpad instead of the mouse and, until now, no weird 
behaviours!
Thanks.
Fernando

On 8/4/05, Luke Albers <gtg940r@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:

> You should subscribe to the enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> mailing list and post this same message there. It probably has
> something to do with the WM rather than your X config if it worked just
> fine with another window manager
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Fernando Meira]

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I have changed the mouse input (from PS2 to USB) and solved that weird mouse 
behaviour.
The touchpad also works well. Strange that by PS2 gets so crazy.

Well, since things become more stable (at least until now), I been learning 
how to work with e17. However, there's a small problem. When I try to edit 
the URL of the weather module, I get this error:

xterm: Can't execvp vi: No such file or directory

which I understand because it is trying to use *vi* and I don't have it. If 
I'm not wrong, vi is not even in portage.
So, is there a way to work around this, maybe using another editor to edit 
it?

It would be nice to know the weather from here I am and not from Taunton.. 
:)

Cheers,
Fernando

On 8/4/05, Fernando Meira <fmeira@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes... that would maybe be good idea.
> I'm using now the touchpad instead of the mouse and, until now, no weird 
> behaviours!
> Thanks.
> Fernando
> 
> On 8/4/05, Luke Albers <gtg940r@mail.gatech.edu> wrote:
> 
> > You should subscribe to the enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net 
> > mailing list and post this same message there. It probably has
> > something to do with the WM rather than your X config if it worked just
> > fine with another window manager
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Luke Albers]

On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 17:42 +0000, Fernando Meira wrote:

> which I understand because it is trying to use *vi* and I don't have
> it. If I'm not wrong, vi is not even in portage.
> So, is there a way to work around this, maybe using another editor to
> edit it?
> 

emerge vim and it should make "vi" link to vim

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Re: [gentoo-user] enlightenment 16 or 17

[Christoph Gysin]

Fernando Meira wrote:
> which I understand because it is trying to use *vi* and I don't have it. 
> If I'm not wrong, vi is not even in portage.
> So, is there a way to work around this, maybe using another editor to 
> edit it?

It's probably hardcoded in the code.

Workaround:

$ sudo ln -s nano /usr/bin/vi

Christoph
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