[gentoo-user] OT -Dumb Terminal and Bonus Question

[gentoo-user] OT -Dumb Terminal and Bonus Question

[Michael Sullivan]

On my network there are two machines:  baby and blossom.  baby has a 900
megahertz processor with 256MB RAM.  blossom has a 200 megahertz
processor with 128 RAM.  Right now baby has Gentoo 2005.0 and blossom is
running Red Hat 9.  I would like to set up something where my wife can
log in on blossom (it's my wife's computer) and it connects blossom to
baby (via the network)  I want blossom to act as a dumb terminal, with
all requests made on blossom going to baby.  My wife prefers GNOME, but
it runs so slow on blossom (that's why she wanted RH9)  I'm pretty sure
there's a way to do this, but I don't know how to start.  I know I could
use Google, but I don't know how to phrase my query.  I know that all
this could be accomplished with ssh, but is there a simpler way?


Bonus question:

blossom has a TV card.  I'd like to know (if it's possible) how to
access blossom's TV card from baby.   If it matters here's the output
from running lspci on blossom.

root@blossom's password:
Last login: Sat Jul  9 15:43:50 2005 from baby.espersunited.com
[root@blossom root]# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 430TX - 82439TX MTXC (rev 01)
00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 01)
00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 01)
00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+
215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a)
00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)00:10.0 Multimedia video controller:
Brooktree Corporation Bt848 Video Capture (rev 12)


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Re: [gentoo-user] OT -Dumb Terminal and Bonus Question

[Zac Medico]

Michael Sullivan wrote:
> On my network there are two machines:  baby and blossom.  baby has a 900
> megahertz processor with 256MB RAM.  blossom has a 200 megahertz
> processor with 128 RAM.  Right now baby has Gentoo 2005.0 and blossom is
> running Red Hat 9.  I would like to set up something where my wife can
> log in on blossom (it's my wife's computer) and it connects blossom to
> baby (via the network)  I want blossom to act as a dumb terminal, with
> all requests made on blossom going to baby.  My wife prefers GNOME, but
> it runs so slow on blossom (that's why she wanted RH9)  I'm pretty sure
> there's a way to do this, but I don't know how to start.  I know I could
> use Google, but I don't know how to phrase my query.  I know that all
> this could be accomplished with ssh, but is there a simpler way?
> 

You want to use blossom as a thin client?  Three choices that come to mind are xdmcp, nx, and vnc.  If you want you can use a specialized thin client distro such as thinstation or ltsp.

> 
> Bonus question:
> 
> blossom has a TV card.  I'd like to know (if it's possible) how to
> access blossom's TV card from baby.   If it matters here's the output
> from running lspci on blossom.
> 
> root@blossom's password:
> Last login: Sat Jul  9 15:43:50 2005 from baby.espersunited.com
> [root@blossom root]# lspci
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 430TX - 82439TX MTXC (rev 01)
> 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 01)
> 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
> 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
> 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 01)
> 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+
> 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a)
> 00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)00:10.0 Multimedia video controller:
> Brooktree Corporation Bt848 Video Capture (rev 12)
> 
> 

Maybe you can pipe the output of a framegrabber program through netcat?

Zac
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT -Dumb Terminal and Bonus Question

[Michael Sullivan]

On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 15:13 -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
> Michael Sullivan wrote:
> > On my network there are two machines:  baby and blossom.  baby has a 900
> > megahertz processor with 256MB RAM.  blossom has a 200 megahertz
> > processor with 128 RAM.  Right now baby has Gentoo 2005.0 and blossom is
> > running Red Hat 9.  I would like to set up something where my wife can
> > log in on blossom (it's my wife's computer) and it connects blossom to
> > baby (via the network)  I want blossom to act as a dumb terminal, with
> > all requests made on blossom going to baby.  My wife prefers GNOME, but
> > it runs so slow on blossom (that's why she wanted RH9)  I'm pretty sure
> > there's a way to do this, but I don't know how to start.  I know I could
> > use Google, but I don't know how to phrase my query.  I know that all
> > this could be accomplished with ssh, but is there a simpler way?
> > 
> 
> You want to use blossom as a thin client?  Three choices that come to mind are xdmcp, nx, and vnc.  If you want you can use a specialized thin client distro such as thinstation or ltsp.
> 
> > 
> > Bonus question:
> > 
> > blossom has a TV card.  I'd like to know (if it's possible) how to
> > access blossom's TV card from baby.   If it matters here's the output
> > from running lspci on blossom.
> > 
> > root@blossom's password:
> > Last login: Sat Jul  9 15:43:50 2005 from baby.espersunited.com
> > [root@blossom root]# lspci
> > 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 430TX - 82439TX MTXC (rev 01)
> > 00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 01)
> > 00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
> > 00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
> > 00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 01)
> > 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage II+
> > 215GTB [Mach64 GTB] (rev 9a)
> > 00:0f.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> > RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)00:10.0 Multimedia video controller:
> > Brooktree Corporation Bt848 Video Capture (rev 12)
> > 
> > 
> 
> Maybe you can pipe the output of a framegrabber program through netcat?
> 
> Zac

Can you point me to any tutorials/HowTo's about doing this?

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT -Dumb Terminal and Bonus Question

[Zac Medico]

Michael Sullivan wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 15:13 -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
> 
>>Michael Sullivan wrote:
>>
>>>On my network there are two machines:  baby and blossom.  baby has a 900
>>>megahertz processor with 256MB RAM.  blossom has a 200 megahertz
>>>processor with 128 RAM.  Right now baby has Gentoo 2005.0 and blossom is
>>>running Red Hat 9.  I would like to set up something where my wife can
>>>log in on blossom (it's my wife's computer) and it connects blossom to
>>>baby (via the network)  I want blossom to act as a dumb terminal, with
>>>all requests made on blossom going to baby.  My wife prefers GNOME, but
>>>it runs so slow on blossom (that's why she wanted RH9)  I'm pretty sure
>>>there's a way to do this, but I don't know how to start.  I know I could
>>>use Google, but I don't know how to phrase my query.  I know that all
>>>this could be accomplished with ssh, but is there a simpler way?
>>>
>>
>>You want to use blossom as a thin client?  Three choices that come to mind are xdmcp, nx, and vnc.  If you want you can use a specialized thin client distro such as thinstation or ltsp.
>>
> 
> Can you point me to any tutorials/HowTo's about doing this?
> 

To setup xdmcp on the server you can follow the Displaymanager instructions [1] from the gentoo ltsp howto.  On the client you start the Xserver with the -query option (see the Xserver manpage).  See the xdmcp howto [2] for further information.

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml#doc_chap3_sect8
[2] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT -Dumb Terminal and Bonus Question

[Michael Sullivan]

On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 16:20 -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
> Michael Sullivan wrote:
> > On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 15:13 -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
> > 
> >>Michael Sullivan wrote:
> >>
> >>>On my network there are two machines:  baby and blossom.  baby has a 900
> >>>megahertz processor with 256MB RAM.  blossom has a 200 megahertz
> >>>processor with 128 RAM.  Right now baby has Gentoo 2005.0 and blossom is
> >>>running Red Hat 9.  I would like to set up something where my wife can
> >>>log in on blossom (it's my wife's computer) and it connects blossom to
> >>>baby (via the network)  I want blossom to act as a dumb terminal, with
> >>>all requests made on blossom going to baby.  My wife prefers GNOME, but
> >>>it runs so slow on blossom (that's why she wanted RH9)  I'm pretty sure
> >>>there's a way to do this, but I don't know how to start.  I know I could
> >>>use Google, but I don't know how to phrase my query.  I know that all
> >>>this could be accomplished with ssh, but is there a simpler way?
> >>>
> >>
> >>You want to use blossom as a thin client?  Three choices that come to mind are xdmcp, nx, and vnc.  If you want you can use a specialized thin client distro such as thinstation or ltsp.
> >>
> > 
> > Can you point me to any tutorials/HowTo's about doing this?
> > 
> 
> To setup xdmcp on the server you can follow the Displaymanager instructions [1] from the gentoo ltsp howto.  On the client you start the Xserver with the -query option (see the Xserver manpage).  See the xdmcp howto [2] for further information.
> 
> [1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml#doc_chap3_sect8
> [2] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/
> 
> Zac

It seems to be working.  I changed blossom's default runlevel
in /etc/inittab from 5 (X11) to 3 (full multiuser text-only) and added
"X -query baby" to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and restarted.  I see baby's login
screen on blossom's monitor.  I logged in and opened mozilla.  baby's
hard drive started clicking so I could tell that all the work was being
done on baby, but when I went to a website that had music it played
through baby's speakers.  blossom has her own sound card and speakers.
Is there any way I could get blossom to use her own speakers?  I noticed
a flag for ltsp called audiofile that was not selected.  Would adding
audiofile to my USE settings do the trick?  I can't seem to remember the
file that has the descriptions of different USE settings...

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT -Dumb Terminal and Bonus Question

[Zac Medico]

Michael Sullivan wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 16:20 -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
>>
>>To setup xdmcp on the server you can follow the Displaymanager instructions [1] from the gentoo ltsp howto.  On the client you start the Xserver with the -query option (see the Xserver manpage).  See the xdmcp howto [2] for further information.
>>
>>[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml#doc_chap3_sect8
>>[2] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/
>>
>>Zac
> 
> 
> It seems to be working.  I changed blossom's default runlevel
> in /etc/inittab from 5 (X11) to 3 (full multiuser text-only) and added
> "X -query baby" to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and restarted.  I see baby's login
> screen on blossom's monitor.  I logged in and opened mozilla.  baby's
> hard drive started clicking so I could tell that all the work was being
> done on baby, but when I went to a website that had music it played
> through baby's speakers.  blossom has her own sound card and speakers.
> Is there any way I could get blossom to use her own speakers?  I noticed
> a flag for ltsp called audiofile that was not selected.  Would adding
> audiofile to my USE settings do the trick?  I can't seem to remember the
> file that has the descriptions of different USE settings...
> 

http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound

You need to configure a sound daemon on the server to forward the sound over the network to another sound daemon on the client.

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT -Dumb Terminal and Bonus Question

[Michael Sullivan]

On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 22:07 -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
> Michael Sullivan wrote:
> > On Sun, 2005-07-10 at 16:20 -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
> >>
> >>To setup xdmcp on the server you can follow the Displaymanager instructions [1] from the gentoo ltsp howto.  On the client you start the Xserver with the -query option (see the Xserver manpage).  See the xdmcp howto [2] for further information.
> >>
> >>[1] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/ltsp.xml#doc_chap3_sect8
> >>[2] http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/XDMCP-HOWTO/
> >>
> >>Zac
> > 
> > 
> > It seems to be working.  I changed blossom's default runlevel
> > in /etc/inittab from 5 (X11) to 3 (full multiuser text-only) and added
> > "X -query baby" to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and restarted.  I see baby's login
> > screen on blossom's monitor.  I logged in and opened mozilla.  baby's
> > hard drive started clicking so I could tell that all the work was being
> > done on baby, but when I went to a website that had music it played
> > through baby's speakers.  blossom has her own sound card and speakers.
> > Is there any way I could get blossom to use her own speakers?  I noticed
> > a flag for ltsp called audiofile that was not selected.  Would adding
> > audiofile to my USE settings do the trick?  I can't seem to remember the
> > file that has the descriptions of different USE settings...
> > 
> 
> http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Sound
> 
> You need to configure a sound daemon on the server to forward the sound over the network to another sound daemon on the client.
> 
> Zac

Does anyone have a link to a HowTo for that?  

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT -Dumb Terminal and Bonus Question

[Charles Oertel]

Michael Sullivan wrote:
>>You need to configure a sound daemon on the server to forward the sound over the network to another sound daemon on the client.
>>Zac
> 
> Does anyone have a link to a HowTo for that?  

I did that just the other day.  Actually, you do it like this:

On your wife's PC, you run the esound daemon
http://www.tux.org/~ricdude/EsounD.html

On the server (where her gnome session runs, set the sound configuration 
to use esd, and set the IP of the esd server to be the IP of your wife's 
machine).

BTW.:  You don't need to be in runlevel 3 to do the remote X thing. 
 From a terminal in the GUI running on RH, run
#X :1.0 -query <IP of Remote Box>

This will put an X login on <alt><F8>, and have the local X running on 
<alt><F7>

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT -Dumb Terminal and Bonus Question

[Michael Sullivan]

On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 08:29 +0200, Charles Oertel wrote:
> Michael Sullivan wrote:
> >>You need to configure a sound daemon on the server to forward the sound over the network to another sound daemon on the client.
> >>Zac
> > 
> > Does anyone have a link to a HowTo for that?  
> 
> I did that just the other day.  Actually, you do it like this:
> 
> On your wife's PC, you run the esound daemon
> http://www.tux.org/~ricdude/EsounD.html
> 
> On the server (where her gnome session runs, set the sound configuration 
> to use esd, and set the IP of the esd server to be the IP of your wife's 
> machine).
> 
> BTW.:  You don't need to be in runlevel 3 to do the remote X thing. 
>  From a terminal in the GUI running on RH, run
> #X :1.0 -query <IP of Remote Box>
> 
> This will put an X login on <alt><F8>, and have the local X running on 
> <alt><F7>
> 
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Here's the problem:  There is a sound card on baby.  When someone logs
in locally on baby I want baby's sound card and speakers to be used, but
when someone logs in remotely from blossom I want blossom's sound card
and speakers to be used...

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