[gentoo-user] My laptop is freaking me out.

[gentoo-user] My laptop is freaking me out.

[Ian K]

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Hi there.
My new laptop (Toshiba A70) is seriously weirding me out.
It seems to be turning off (randomly?) while in KDE. I cannot
distinguish any patterns uptime-wise, nor is it an actual power
failure. (Nothing else dies, battery prescence is confirmed with
hardware lighting, and this lighting indicates a full charge.
I also see no real connections between what I am doing when
the computer turns off. Once, I was browsing the web in Firefox,
and tonight, I was playing around with the XScreensaver settings.
I have noticed, that it seems to only happen while in KDE, although
Im not 100% sure. Also, I have the KDE laptop battery monitor set
to do *nothing* if the battery should reach a warning or critical
power value. This has happened to be about 6 times over the last
few days. I also just got KDE emerged, so I can say its been happening
probably since it has been up. I have left it on for extended amounts
of time in the regular CLI though, without any problems.
I can't really think of anything else to say, but I should mention that
it **seems** to do a safe shutdown, but Im not sure. The power is
cut rather instantly, and I am not swished off into a system reboot
message. When I start it up again, ReiserFS claims the file system is
clean, and goes on to replay the journal as usual. Do any of
you have any thoughts on this? Thanks a lot!
Ian

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Re: [gentoo-user] My laptop is freaking me out.

[Richard Fish]

Ian K wrote:

>Hi there.
>My new laptop (Toshiba A70) is seriously weirding me out.
>It seems to be turning off (randomly?) while in KDE. I cannot
>distinguish any patterns uptime-wise, nor is it an actual power
>failure. (Nothing else dies, battery prescence is confirmed with
>hardware lighting, and this lighting indicates a full charge.
>I also see no real connections between what I am doing when
>the computer turns off. Once, I was browsing the web in Firefox,
>and tonight, I was playing around with the XScreensaver settings.
>I have noticed, that it seems to only happen while in KDE, although
>Im not 100% sure. Also, I have the KDE laptop battery monitor set
>to do *nothing* if the battery should reach a warning or critical
>power value. This has happened to be about 6 times over the last
>few days. I also just got KDE emerged, so I can say its been happening
>probably since it has been up. I have left it on for extended amounts
>of time in the regular CLI though, without any problems.
>I can't really think of anything else to say, but I should mention that
>it **seems** to do a safe shutdown, but Im not sure. The power is
>cut rather instantly, and I am not swished off into a system reboot
>message. When I start it up again, ReiserFS claims the file system is
>clean, and goes on to replay the journal as usual. Do any of
>you have any thoughts on this? Thanks a lot!
>Ian
>  
>

Are you getting anything in /var/log/messages?

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] My laptop is freaking me out.

[Ian K]

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ghayes wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:41:01 +1200
>Phillip Stewart <gentoo1@feymud.net> wrote:
>
>  
>
>>On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:50, Ian K wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>Hi there.
>>>My new laptop (Toshiba A70) is seriously weirding me out.
>>>It seems to be turning off (randomly?) while in KDE. 
>>>      
>>>
>>Could it be simply that the processor is overheating and shutting down
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>to protect itself?
>>
>>My Dell laptop used to do the same thing 6 months after I bought it. 
>>    
>>
>I 
>  
>
>>took a can of compressed air to the vents and a pile of dust shot out.
>>    
>>
> 
>  
>
>>Now it works fine!
>>
>>Maybe install a CPU monitoring tool (e.g. gkrellm2) and keep an eye on
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
>>the temperature?
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Phillip
>>    
>>
>
>I have a A75.
>It's a known problem with A70 and A75 laptops. I blow mine out weekly
>and I keep the rear elevated to increase airflow. It does it mostly when
>compiling. I've been known to put it in front of the ac when running
>emerge -uavD world. Haven't tried the fridge, yet.
>
>There is also a static issue with some A70 and A75 laptops.
>Unfortunately, your symptoms sound like it. 
>I'd go to toshiba support and check it out if you are still under
>warranty. A lot of people have had this problem.
>By touching the speaker covers you can lock up your machine.
>After this happens a few times, you get symptoms like you've described.
>They replace the cover of your laptop and sometimes the motherboard. 
>Long thread about it:
>http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=39467
>
>The toshiba link was to long to paste but here is the gist
>
>Applicable Models:
>Satellite A75-S206, A75-S2061, A75-S226, A75-S276, A75-S2761, A75-S2762,
>A70-S256, A70-S2561, A70-S249, A70-S2491, A70-S259, A70-S2591, A75-S209,
>A75-S2091, A75-S229, A75-S2291, A75-S2292, A70-S2492ST, M35X-S149,
>M35X-S1491, M35X-S109, M35X-S309, M35X-S3091, M35X-S329, M35X-S3291,
>M35X-S349, M35X-S3491, M30X-S1592ST, M30X-S1593ST, M35X-S1492, A75-S211,
>A75-S2111, A75-S231, A75-S2311, A75-S2293, M35X-S111, M35X-S161,
>M35X-S1611, M35X-S311
>
>On some Satellite A70/A75 and M30X/M35X models, the computer may lock up
>(hang) or restart, immediately after the computer is touched.
>
>If you experience these symptoms, please have your system tested by the
>Toshiba Notebook Depot, or a Toshiba Authorized Service Provider (ASP). 
>There will be no charge for the testing or for any repairs.
>
>For further information about how to arrange for shipment to and service
>at the Toshiba Notebook Depot or a Toshiba ASP in your area please call
>1-800-457-7777.  
>
>I'd return it if you can. Even if you get the static issue sorted out,
>it'll always run hot. If you don't believe me, google it.
>
>Good Luck
>  
>
What about in Canada? Did you spot any warranty info like that
for my corner of the world? :)

About monitoring the temperature, can an A70 do that? How would
I set that up? GKrellm gives me the standard info, but I dont know how
to get temperature monitoring info showing.
Thanks!!
Ian

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: My laptop is freaking me out.

[Ian K]

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James wrote:

>Ian K <omega_2_1 <at> yahoo.ca> writes:
>
>  
>
>>Hi there.
>>My new laptop (Toshiba A70) is seriously weirding me out.
>>It seems to be turning off (randomly?) while in KDE. I cannot
>>distinguish any patterns uptime-wise, nor is it an actual power
>>failure. 
>>    
>>
>
>I just had this idetical problem with a Clevo (2.8GHz) p4 portable,
>with a 2.6.11-gento-r11 kernel.
>
>I built a new kernel on 2.6.12-gentoo-r4 and the problem has disappeared.
>
>I'm too busy to look at the diffs between the .config files, but, if
>you want them, I'll send them to you. I'm quite certain it was something
>in the kernel, acpi would be my guess..... Building a new kernel, and 
>selecting everything from scratch did the trick. The weird thing is 
>I run 2.6.11-gentoo-r11 on several other machines, and had no problem.
>
>
>James
>
>
>
>  
>
Oh yes, I should also note that this seems to only happen in KDE,
not XFCE or FluxBox. I perosnally dont care for GNOME so I haven't
tried it. But I did notice that when I briefly had Ubuntu on this laptop,
I did not have these issues. Is KDE the culprit?
Thanks!

PS>> With those temperatures, I do have all available options under
ACPI enabled, however, GKrellm2 says in the info tab that no such
sensors were found. I am also on Kernel 2.6.13-rc1-mm1. Is that
too bleeding edge? :)

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Re: [gentoo-user] My laptop is freaking me out.

[Phillip Stewart]

On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:50, Ian K wrote:
> Hi there.
> My new laptop (Toshiba A70) is seriously weirding me out.
> It seems to be turning off (randomly?) while in KDE. 

Could it be simply that the processor is overheating and shutting down 
to protect itself?

My Dell laptop used to do the same thing 6 months after I bought it.  I 
took a can of compressed air to the vents and a pile of dust shot out.  
Now it works fine!

Maybe install a CPU monitoring tool (e.g. gkrellm2) and keep an eye on 
the temperature?

Cheers,
Phillip



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Re: [gentoo-user] My laptop is freaking me out.

[ghayes]

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 08:41:01 +1200
Phillip Stewart <gentoo1@feymud.net> wrote:

> On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:50, Ian K wrote:
> > Hi there.
> > My new laptop (Toshiba A70) is seriously weirding me out.
> > It seems to be turning off (randomly?) while in KDE. 
> 
> Could it be simply that the processor is overheating and shutting down

> to protect itself?
> 
> My Dell laptop used to do the same thing 6 months after I bought it. 
I 
> took a can of compressed air to the vents and a pile of dust shot out.
 
> Now it works fine!
> 
> Maybe install a CPU monitoring tool (e.g. gkrellm2) and keep an eye on

> the temperature?
> 
> Cheers,
> Phillip

I have a A75.
It's a known problem with A70 and A75 laptops. I blow mine out weekly
and I keep the rear elevated to increase airflow. It does it mostly when
compiling. I've been known to put it in front of the ac when running
emerge -uavD world. Haven't tried the fridge, yet.

There is also a static issue with some A70 and A75 laptops.
Unfortunately, your symptoms sound like it. 
I'd go to toshiba support and check it out if you are still under
warranty. A lot of people have had this problem.
By touching the speaker covers you can lock up your machine.
After this happens a few times, you get symptoms like you've described.
They replace the cover of your laptop and sometimes the motherboard. 
Long thread about it:
http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=39467

The toshiba link was to long to paste but here is the gist

Applicable Models:
Satellite A75-S206, A75-S2061, A75-S226, A75-S276, A75-S2761, A75-S2762,
A70-S256, A70-S2561, A70-S249, A70-S2491, A70-S259, A70-S2591, A75-S209,
A75-S2091, A75-S229, A75-S2291, A75-S2292, A70-S2492ST, M35X-S149,
M35X-S1491, M35X-S109, M35X-S309, M35X-S3091, M35X-S329, M35X-S3291,
M35X-S349, M35X-S3491, M30X-S1592ST, M30X-S1593ST, M35X-S1492, A75-S211,
A75-S2111, A75-S231, A75-S2311, A75-S2293, M35X-S111, M35X-S161,
M35X-S1611, M35X-S311

On some Satellite A70/A75 and M30X/M35X models, the computer may lock up
(hang) or restart, immediately after the computer is touched.

If you experience these symptoms, please have your system tested by the
Toshiba Notebook Depot, or a Toshiba Authorized Service Provider (ASP). 
There will be no charge for the testing or for any repairs.

For further information about how to arrange for shipment to and service
at the Toshiba Notebook Depot or a Toshiba ASP in your area please call
1-800-457-7777.  

I'd return it if you can. Even if you get the static issue sorted out,
it'll always run hot. If you don't believe me, google it.

Good Luck
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Re: [gentoo-user] My laptop is freaking me out.

[Phillip Stewart]

On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:23, Ian K wrote:
> About monitoring the temperature, can an A70 do that? How would
> I set that up? GKrellm gives me the standard info, but I dont know
> how to get temperature monitoring info showing.

Hmm.  AFAIK, a Pentium 4 processor should have that capability.

My gkrellm2 has a checkbox to display the temperature under 
Configuration > Builtins > Sensors > Setup > Temperatures.

Otherwise, you can manually get a reading by doing:
# cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/temperature

If that doesn't work, you might need to check that ACPI is enabled in 
your kernel (particularly the "Thermal zone" option).  This link might 
help: 

http://www.computx.us/gentoo-A70.html

Cheers,
Phillip
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[gentoo-user] Re: My laptop is freaking me out.

[James]

Ian K <omega_2_1 <at> yahoo.ca> writes:

> 
> Hi there.
> My new laptop (Toshiba A70) is seriously weirding me out.
> It seems to be turning off (randomly?) while in KDE. I cannot
> distinguish any patterns uptime-wise, nor is it an actual power
> failure. 

I just had this idetical problem with a Clevo (2.8GHz) p4 portable,
with a 2.6.11-gento-r11 kernel.

I built a new kernel on 2.6.12-gentoo-r4 and the problem has disappeared.

I'm too busy to look at the diffs between the .config files, but, if
you want them, I'll send them to you. I'm quite certain it was something
in the kernel, acpi would be my guess..... Building a new kernel, and 
selecting everything from scratch did the trick. The weird thing is 
I run 2.6.11-gentoo-r11 on several other machines, and had no problem.


James



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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: My laptop is freaking me out.

[Richard Fish]

Ian K wrote:

>Oh yes, I should also note that this seems to only happen in KDE,
>not XFCE or FluxBox. I perosnally dont care for GNOME so I haven't
>tried it. But I did notice that when I briefly had Ubuntu on this laptop,
>I did not have these issues. Is KDE the culprit?
>  
>

Probably not KDE, but possibly X itself.  Maybe it isn't the CPU, but
the GPU that is overheating.

The radeon driver has a "DynamicClocks" setting (man radeon).  Do you
have this option in your xorg.conf file? 

>PS>> With those temperatures, I do have all available options under
>ACPI enabled, however, GKrellm2 says in the info tab that no such
>sensors were found. I am also on Kernel 2.6.13-rc1-mm1. Is that
>too bleeding edge? :)
>  
>

Do you have /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM*/temperature?  If so, just do:

while sleep 2 ; do clear ; cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM*/temperature;
done

Again, did you check /var/log/messages to see if anything interesting
shows up there.  If you have Machine Check Exception options in your
kernel, many overheating, fan, or voltage problems should get reported
there.

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: My laptop is freaking me out.

[Ian K]

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Richard Fish wrote:

>Ian K wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Oh yes, I should also note that this seems to only happen in KDE,
>>not XFCE or FluxBox. I perosnally dont care for GNOME so I haven't
>>tried it. But I did notice that when I briefly had Ubuntu on this laptop,
>>I did not have these issues. Is KDE the culprit?
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Probably not KDE, but possibly X itself.  Maybe it isn't the CPU, but
>the GPU that is overheating.
>
>The radeon driver has a "DynamicClocks" setting (man radeon).  Do you
>have this option in your xorg.conf file? 
>  
>
Nope, but after setting it to 'true' (and restarting my computer)
I notice that my laptop cooling fans are on (probably about mid-speed)
*constantly*. I'm looking over, and seeing my computer idling at
0% CPU usage. Its fans are blasting cool air through it, and its running
a lot less hot. Looks like you solved the problem. Heck, it doesn't matter
if its the CPU or GPU warming up too much, the whole system is on
at full blast after KDE is started. Its AWESOME! :)

I will let you know if I have further problems.

>  
>
>>PS>> With those temperatures, I do have all available options under
>>ACPI enabled, however, GKrellm2 says in the info tab that no such
>>sensors were found. I am also on Kernel 2.6.13-rc1-mm1. Is that
>>too bleeding edge? :)
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Do you have /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM*/temperature?  If so, just do:
>  
>
I do, but the directory "structure(?)" ends at thermal_zone. There
is nothing in it.

>while sleep 2 ; do clear ; cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM*/temperature;
>done
>
>Again, did you check /var/log/messages to see if anything interesting
>shows up there.  If you have Machine Check Exception options in your
>kernel, many overheating, fan, or voltage problems should get reported
>there.
>
>-Richard
>
>  
>
Thank you so much!!!!!
All the best,
Ian

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: My laptop is freaking me out.

[Richard Fish]

Ian K wrote:

>
>>Probably not KDE, but possibly X itself.  Maybe it isn't the CPU, but
>>the GPU that is overheating.
>>
>>The radeon driver has a "DynamicClocks" setting (man radeon).  Do you
>>have this option in your xorg.conf file? 
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>Nope, but after setting it to 'true' (and restarting my computer)
>I notice that my laptop cooling fans are on (probably about mid-speed)
>*constantly*. I'm looking over, and seeing my computer idling at
>0% CPU usage. Its fans are blasting cool air through it, and its running
>a lot less hot. Looks like you solved the problem. Heck, it doesn't matter
>if its the CPU or GPU warming up too much, the whole system is on
>at full blast after KDE is started. Its AWESOME! :)
>
>I will let you know if I have further problems.
>
>  
>

I seem to recall some kind of kernel problem with ACPI and fans not
turning on....I can't remember the details though, and I didn't have
this problem myself.

Now, why setting DynamicClocks in the xorg.conf file would turn your
fans on, I cannot possibly comprehend!!!

But, I'm glad it's working.

>I do, but the directory "structure(?)" ends at thermal_zone. There
>is nothing in it.
>
>  
>
Interesting...maybe we should double check your ACPI configuration
options.  I have:

carcharias linux # grep ^CONFIG.*ACPI /usr/src/linux/.config
CONFIG_ACPI=y
CONFIG_ACPI_BOOT=y
CONFIG_ACPI_INTERPRETER=y
CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y
CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP_PROC_FS=y
CONFIG_ACPI_AC=y
CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=y
CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=y
CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO=y
CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=y
CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=y
CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=y
CONFIG_ACPI_BLACKLIST_YEAR=0
CONFIG_ACPI_BUS=y
CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y
CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y
CONFIG_ACPI_PCI=y
CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y

And during bootup, I get the following in /var/log/messages:

Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: AC Adapter [ADP0] (on-line)
Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present)
Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery absent)
Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Lid Switch [LID]
Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Sleep Button (CM) [SLPB]
Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Power Button (CM) [PWRB]
Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports 8 throttling
states)
Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports 8 throttling
states)
Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Thermal Zone [THM0] (52 C)


Do you get anything similar?

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: My laptop is freaking me out.

[Ian K]

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Richard Fish wrote:

>Ian K wrote:
>
>  
>
>>>Probably not KDE, but possibly X itself.  Maybe it isn't the CPU, but
>>>the GPU that is overheating.
>>>
>>>The radeon driver has a "DynamicClocks" setting (man radeon).  Do you
>>>have this option in your xorg.conf file? 
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>Nope, but after setting it to 'true' (and restarting my computer)
>>I notice that my laptop cooling fans are on (probably about mid-speed)
>>*constantly*. I'm looking over, and seeing my computer idling at
>>0% CPU usage. Its fans are blasting cool air through it, and its running
>>a lot less hot. Looks like you solved the problem. Heck, it doesn't matter
>>if its the CPU or GPU warming up too much, the whole system is on
>>at full blast after KDE is started. Its AWESOME! :)
>>
>>I will let you know if I have further problems.
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>I seem to recall some kind of kernel problem with ACPI and fans not
>turning on....I can't remember the details though, and I didn't have
>this problem myself.
>
>Now, why setting DynamicClocks in the xorg.conf file would turn your
>fans on, I cannot possibly comprehend!!!
>  
>
Heres the bad news.. I turned my laptop on today, and the fans didn't
come on like
they did before, and within five minutes and 1 compile, the laptop was off.

>But, I'm glad it's working.
>
>  
>
>>I do, but the directory "structure(?)" ends at thermal_zone. There
>>is nothing in it.
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>Interesting...maybe we should double check your ACPI configuration
>options.  I have:
>
>carcharias linux # grep ^CONFIG.*ACPI /usr/src/linux/.config
>CONFIG_ACPI=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_BOOT=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_INTERPRETER=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_SLEEP_PROC_FS=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_AC=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_BLACKLIST_YEAR=0
>CONFIG_ACPI_BUS=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_PCI=y
>CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y
>  
>
I get:

CONFIG_ACPI=y
CONFIG_ACPI_BOOT=y
CONFIG_ACPI_INTERPRETER=y
CONFIG_ACPI_AC=y
CONFIG_ACPI_BATTERY=y
CONFIG_ACPI_BUTTON=y
CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO=y
CONFIG_ACPI_HOTKEY=y
CONFIG_ACPI_FAN=y
CONFIG_ACPI_PROCESSOR=y
CONFIG_ACPI_THERMAL=y
CONFIG_ACPI_BLACKLIST_YEAR=0
CONFIG_ACPI_BUS=y
CONFIG_ACPI_EC=y
CONFIG_ACPI_POWER=y
CONFIG_ACPI_PCI=y
CONFIG_ACPI_SYSTEM=y
CONFIG_PNPACPI=y

>And during bootup, I get the following in /var/log/messages:
>
>Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: AC Adapter [ADP0] (on-line)
>Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery present)
>Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery absent)
>Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Lid Switch [LID]
>Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Sleep Button (CM) [SLPB]
>Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Power Button (CM) [PWRB]
>Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports 8 throttling
>states)
>Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports 8 throttling
>states)
>Jul 11 07:20:11 carcharias ACPI: Thermal Zone [THM0] (52 C)
>
>
>Do you get anything similar?
>
>  
>
Here is my boot log, Im sorry its so long, I dont know what we are
looking for.
[OT] No, I didn't name my computer after an aspect of Longhorn. I like
King Arthur. Plus, its a cool name. ;) [/OT]

Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: RSDP (v000
PTLTD                                 ) @ 0x000f6b40
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: RSDT (v001 PTLTD    RSDT   0x06040000  LTP
0x00000000) @ 0x1bf75dd2
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: FADT (v001 TOSCPL Chinook  0x06040000 ATI 
0x00000003) @ 0x1bf7af24
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: MADT (v001 PTLTD    APIC   0x06040000  LTP
0x00000000) @ 0x1bf7af98
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: SSDT (v001  PmRef    CpuPm 0x00003000 INTL
0x20030224) @ 0x1bf75e02
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: DSDT (v001 TOSCPL    SB200 0x06040000 MSFT
0x0100000e) @ 0x00000000
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PM-Timer IO Port: 0x8008
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Local APIC address 0xfee00000
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x00] lapic_id[0x00] enabled)
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: LAPIC (acpi_id[0x01] lapic_id[0x01] enabled)
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x00] high edge lint[0x1])
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: LAPIC_NMI (acpi_id[0x01] high edge lint[0x1])
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: IOAPIC (id[0x02] address[0xfec00000]
gsi_base[0])
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 0 global_irq 2
high edge)
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: INT_SRC_OVR (bus 0 bus_irq 9 global_irq 21
low level)
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: IRQ0 used by override.
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: IRQ2 used by override.
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon Using ACPI (MADT) for SMP configuration information
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: bus type pci registered
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Subsystem revision 20050408
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Interpreter enabled
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Using IOAPIC for interrupt routing
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Root Bridge [PCI0] (0000:00)
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Assume root bridge [\_SB_.PCI0] segment is 0
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table [\_SB_.PCI0._PRT]
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK0] (IRQs 10 11) *0,
disabled.
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK1] (IRQs 10 11) *0,
disabled.
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK2] (IRQs 10 11) *0,
disabled.
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt Link [LNK3] (IRQs 10 11) *0,
disabled.
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Embedded Controller [EC0] (gpe 6)
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table
[\_SB_.PCI0.P2P_._PRT]
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt Routing Table
[\_SB_.PCI0.AGP_._PRT]
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon pnp: PnP ACPI init
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon pnp: PnP ACPI: found 12 devices
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon PCI: Using ACPI for IRQ routing
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:05.0[A] -> GSI 16
(level, low) -> IRQ 16
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: AC Adapter [ACAD] (off-line)
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery present)
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Power Button (FF) [PWRF]
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Lid Switch [LID]
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Power Button (CM) [PWRB]
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Video Device [VGA] (multi-head: yes  rom:
no  post: no)
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: CPU0 (power states: C1[C1])
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Processor [CPU0] (supports 8 throttling states)
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: CPU1 (power states: C1[C1])
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Processor [CPU1] (supports 8 throttling states)
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:01:05.0[A] -> GSI 16
(level, low) -> IRQ 16
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:14.6[B] -> GSI 17
(level, low) -> IRQ 17
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:03.0[A] -> GSI 19
(level, low) -> IRQ 18
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:14.1[A] -> GSI 16
(level, low) -> IRQ 16
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:00.0[A] -> GSI 16
(level, low) -> IRQ 16
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:04.0[A] -> GSI 16
(level, low) -> IRQ 16
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:13.2[A] -> GSI 19
(level, low) -> IRQ 18
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:13.0[A] -> GSI 19
(level, low) -> IRQ 18
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:13.1[A] -> GSI 19
(level, low) -> IRQ 18
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:00:14.5[B] -> GSI 17
(level, low) -> IRQ 17
Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:02:02.0[A] -> GSI 18
(level, low) -> IRQ 19

>-Richard
>
>  
>
Thanks!
Ian

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: My laptop is freaking me out.

[Ian K]

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Richard Fish wrote:

>Ian K wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Heres the bad news.. I turned my laptop on today, and the fans didn't
>>come on like
>>they did before, and within five minutes and 1 compile, the laptop was off.
>>
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Ok, so you defintely have some kind of problem with your fans.  Did you
>follow the cleaning instructions that others provided?  Maybe they are
>just too gummed up to spin up reliably?
>  
>
The strange thing is though, they do work fine under Windows.
Im just Guessing that Linux cant activate them.

>Also, does anyone else here have the same model laptop that can confirm
>that the ACPI stuff looks right??  I mean, not even a thermal sensor??
>That seems weird!
>
>Some of the other things that I have read or can think of that might
>effect the fans would be:
>
>1. In dual boot system with Windows, warm or cold restarts from Windows
>to Linux can affect whether the fans spin up.
>  
>
What would you recommend along those lines?

>2. Firmware (BIOS) updates.  (See Sager 9880 and 9860 and "stuck fans"!!)
>  
>
I tried that, the BIOS came updated to the most recent version.
I should point out its a Phoenix BIOS too, so the toshiba-utils does
not work on my system.

>3. Whether you are running on AC or battery.
>  
>
Always AC, I never run off of a battery if I can help it.

>
>  
>
>>I get:
>>
>>CONFIG_ACPI=y
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Looks sane to me....
>
>
>  
>
>>Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: AC Adapter [ACAD] (off-line)
>>Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery present)
>> 
>>
>>    
>>
>
>Do you get better results if you start with the AC power connected? 
>  
>
The strange thing is, it was connected. That was a detection error
in th log.

>What if you do a truly cold restart? (remove the battery, unplug then
>connect the AC, and then power up).
>  
>
I will try that.

On the topic of ACPI, I found this post on LinuxQuestions. I post as omega21
there. The thread is in the SuSe Forum, but I doubt it matters too much.
What do you make of it?

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=288588

As well, someone else on LQ advised trying APM, instead of ACPI(?). Im not
sure if its a good idea or not.

Lastly, I found another project that packs Toshiba features into the kernel.
Im not sure if I should try it though.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/omke/

Cheers,
Ian

PS>> I hope we can solve this. I forgot how icky Windows XP is. ;)

>-Richard
>
>  
>


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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: My laptop is freaking me out.

[Richard Fish]

Ian K wrote:

>Heres the bad news.. I turned my laptop on today, and the fans didn't
>come on like
>they did before, and within five minutes and 1 compile, the laptop was off.
>
>  
>

Ok, so you defintely have some kind of problem with your fans.  Did you
follow the cleaning instructions that others provided?  Maybe they are
just too gummed up to spin up reliably?

Also, does anyone else here have the same model laptop that can confirm
that the ACPI stuff looks right??  I mean, not even a thermal sensor??
That seems weird!

Some of the other things that I have read or can think of that might
effect the fans would be:

1. In dual boot system with Windows, warm or cold restarts from Windows
to Linux can affect whether the fans spin up.

2. Firmware (BIOS) updates.  (See Sager 9880 and 9860 and "stuck fans"!!)

3. Whether you are running on AC or battery.


>I get:
>
>CONFIG_ACPI=y
>  
>

Looks sane to me....


>Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: AC Adapter [ACAD] (off-line)
>Jul 12 16:45:03 Avalon ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT1] (battery present)
>  
>

Do you get better results if you start with the AC power connected? 
What if you do a truly cold restart? (remove the battery, unplug then
connect the AC, and then power up).

-Richard

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: My laptop is freaking me out.

[Richard Fish]

Ian K wrote:

>>
>> Some of the other things that I have read or can think of that might
>> effect the fans would be:
>>
>> 1. In dual boot system with Windows, warm or cold restarts from Windows
>> to Linux can affect whether the fans spin up.
>>
>>
> What would you recommend along those lines?


Why, my Standard Operating Procedure of course!


             (Start)
                |
         [ Try Something ]
                |
        < Problem Fixed? >  <-----
        /           \            |
       Y             N           |
      /               \          |
   (Quit)           [Try Something Else]

;->

Seriously, I've seen posts that:

1. Booting into Windows and letting it run for a while, then
warm-rebooting into linux, lets the fans work.
2. or also, that #1 makes things worse in Linux; That things work best
with a cold boot into Linux.


>
> On the topic of ACPI, I found this post on LinuxQuestions. I post as
> omega21
> there. The thread is in the SuSe Forum, but I doubt it matters too much.
> What do you make of it?
>
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=288588
>

Looks like the A65 and A70 laptops have serious problems with fan
control, reboots, and static discharge issues....as far as what I make
of it...well, maybe the problem with my Sager 5680 of cracking plastic
around the hinges of that requires me to continually repair/glue the
thing together isn't such a bad problem after all!  (Sorry, I couldn't
resist)

> As well, someone else on LQ advised trying APM, instead of ACPI(?). Im not
> sure if its a good idea or not.
>

I say go for it.  ACPI isn't doing much for you....doesn't even know the
difference between battery power and AC!

You will probably want to configure your kernel with both APM and ACPI
support, then you can switch between them by adding the appropriate
"apm=off" or "acpi=off" entries to the kernel command line.

> Lastly, I found another project that packs Toshiba features into the
> kernel.
> Im not sure if I should try it though.
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/omke/
>

Project seems nearly dead.  Only 5 posts (including yours) between the
two forums this year.  And the last release of anything was in
Februrary, which doesn't list anything but an updated Makefile and a
change to some documentation as features....

-Richard

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