From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 373A81384C1 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:41:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D44F7141EC; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:41:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk (smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk [212.23.1.3]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF32FE076B for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:41:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [82.69.80.10] (helo=wstn.localnet) by smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWPL9-0005LG-SC for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2015 13:41:40 +0000 From: Peter Humphrey To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: [OT] Was re: [gentoo-user] system uptime Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2015 14:41:39 +0100 Message-ID: <4288619.Y3CmtWJjyg@wstn> User-Agent: KMail/4.14.8 (Linux/4.0.5-gentoo; KDE/4.14.8; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <55E42184.6080002@gmail.com> References: <20150830040443.GA1081@ca.inter.net> <8551914.hU4FhT7smn@wstn> <55E42184.6080002@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Originating-smarthost01b-IP: [82.69.80.10] X-Archives-Salt: 8e670b8e-af98-470f-bfdd-d2a0c8ffab13 X-Archives-Hash: f90aad543f76715670beead1bb5e5878 On Monday 31 August 2015 11:42:28 Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 31/08/2015 10:50, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > The desktop machine I'm referring to (an Amari "workstation") dates from > > 2009. It has an i5 processor, 16GB RAM* and two 2GB SSDs as the main > > power sinks. It sits (runs) in a boxroom 6ft square and keeps it > > comfortably warm. I haven't noticed any change in ambient temp since the > > SSDs replaced spinners. > > > > * Whoever named that Random Access had a strange understanding of English. > > The last thing I want from memory is random access! How much better it > > would have been to call it something like Direct Access. Oh well - much > > too late now. > > It's random access to distinguish it from serial access. In the early > early days there were a lot of strange methods being tried to build > memory - like dots on a cathode ray tube! To get to bit you wanted, you > had to wait till the scanning beam reached that part of the screen - > serial access. Addressable memory on a grid pattern came much later. Yes, of course I know all that, but it's still the antithesis of random - it's absolutely specific. Random is what you'd get if you didn't specify anything. My favourite storage medium was core store. Millions of tiny ferrite rings, each at an intersection of orthogonal X and Y wires to specify the address, and a write pulse on another wire on the Z axis. At least, that's as close as I can remember now, 40 years later. No wonder computers were expensive. I won't tell you what systems used a 24-bit processor and 12 or 16 KB of 2us core store backed by a 2MB disk (three feet in diameter), for fear of frightening you. ;-) > Random Access really means "able to access any random address as fast as > any other random address". My point is simply that the addresses are very far from randomly chosen. The distinguishing feature of the store is that you can go directly to the required location, without having to wait for it to reach the read/write device. As I said though, there'd be no point in getting all stressed about it now. > RAM is also not the opposite of ROM :-) I seem to be having a senior moment here; at least, I don't follow that. -- Rgds Peter