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SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FUZZY_BLOCKED(0.00)[rspamd.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34931, ipnet:149.255.60.0/22, country:GB]; R_SPF_ALLOW(0.00)[+mx]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(0.00)[kintzios.com:s=default]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM(-0.00)[-0.985]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[confabulate@kintzios.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(0.00)[kintzios.com,none]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[kintzios.com:+] X-Archives-Salt: 3cc6e7ad-0fd3-44a1-8d61-920d2eed6986 X-Archives-Hash: e62519e57d86c27794c5052dd66f2548 --nextPart2659534.BddDVKsqQX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; protected-headers="v1" From: Michael To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-To: confabulate@kintzios.com Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Very slow POST process Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 14:58:56 +0000 Message-ID: <4185394.1IzOArtZ34@rogueboard> In-Reply-To: <226da50a-6c67-ceaa-5e2c-3ad867728a64@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 On Tuesday, 28 November 2023 13:13:55 GMT Dale wrote: > Michael wrote: > > Over the last 8-9 months I noticed an old Lenovo G505s laptop is spending > > a > > long time in the POST process, before eventually the OEM logo shows up on > > the screen. Last time I timed it, it took 2.5-3.0 minutes. Normally it > > would only take ~20-30 seconds. Once the logo shows up the boot process > > proceeds without further delay. > > > > Initially, this delay to POST would happen randomly and rarely. Now it > > happens every time. > > > > Things I tried: > > > > 1. Reflashing the UEFI firmware - it didn't work because it already has > > the > > latest firmware. > > > > 2. Removing the main battery and holding down the power button for 15 > > seconds, hoping to reset the firmware. > > > > 3. Leaving the PSU cable connected overnight. > > > > 4. Testing the RAM and HDD. > > > > None of the above improved the situation, or indicated what might be > > wrong. > > > > I'll reseat the RAM sticks and the HDD next, in case a contact is > > oxidised, > > but what else could cause this noticeable delay to POST? A failing RTC > > CMOS battery? > > I recently had this issue as well on my 770T NAS box. I ordered some > video cards and once I replaced the video card, it boots in the time it > should every time. Before that, I tried memtest, checking the CPU was > seated properly and not running hot, checked temps with a IR thingy of > both bridge chips and several other things. I also replaced the battery > and reset the settings to defaults and then adjusted to my way. The > only thing that changed the long POST time, changing the video card. I > might add, I've booted that thing a lot since I changed the video card > and it boots right up each time. > > If you have a built in video system, you stuck. The only option I can > think of, clean the heat sink/cooler for the CPU and such and see if > that helps any. If you doing a cold start, couldn't imagine heat being > a issue tho. If you have a video card that can be changed, might want > to try that. I've never seen a laptop with one of those tho. > > I hope someone else has a better suggestion. > > Dale > > :-) :-) Thank you Dale, this laptop has both an AMD A10-5750M APU with a Richland [Radeon HD 8650G] graphics on the die and a discrete Jet PRO [Radeon R5 M230] GPU, working with the radeon kernel driver and the vga_switcheroo. I can't recall if the Radeon chip is soldered or plugged in a socket on the MoBo. Until I take off the back cover I won't know for sure. Perhaps a red herring, but it may be related to graphics: At some point in the summer I connected an external monitor with HDMI to test it. I then switched from both monitors, only the laptop's LCD and then only the external monitor and back again before I shut it down. All worked as expected on a Wayland Plasma desktop. I am not certain, but have the impression the delay at POST started getting worse thereafter, although the problem existed intermittently for a good 4-5 months before then. :-/ I hope the GPU is not failing, because I doubt I'll be able to source one of these chips, while spending money on a replacement MoBo on flea-bay would not be cost effective. --nextPart2659534.BddDVKsqQX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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