From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Qew5Y-00055X-EY for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 21:26:24 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DE08A21C05A; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 21:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 942E021C05A for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 21:24:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26so1241327wwf.10 for ; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 14:24:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=kFEXB/QG77llT/rkrxc1CfagTTvjvnhbCN6hwKGSabs=; b=Za6Oo54tOX+I1UR2CjpDwuIwVYlfGPncD95jQLcsiYHa7fK1Is6SKLEXOU6bH6imTW mnHfQdCB9tw9TUpg6FAZw1WI8YKjGdAU6yIQZBUzQEWPAKd7niWtvy6Plr+4MttNRduL tzt0F1OBF4oPbd5ZL7lqxjvwb4WhF0rwmJVBU= Received: by 10.216.235.158 with SMTP id u30mr1067825weq.104.1310073859783; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 14:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-215-19-196.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.215.19.196]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z83sm2070272weq.20.2011.07.07.14.24.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 07 Jul 2011 14:24:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Managing multiple Gentoo systems Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 23:23:14 +0200 Message-ID: <40948406.UoA4NczB1r@nazgul> User-Agent: KMail/4.6.0 (Linux/2.6.39-ck; KDE/4.6.4; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <4E161EC3.8060808@badapple.net> References: <2206705.m0niYJH5nW@nazgul> <4E161EC3.8060808@badapple.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: d6191fce8bf881146b9e2cd16bee6742 On Thursday 07 July 2011 14:01:55 kashani did opine thusly: > On 7/7/2011 1:37 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: > > On Thursday 07 July 2011 11:23:15 kashani did opine thusly: > >> On 7/2/2011 3:14 PM, Grant wrote: > >>> After a frustrating experience with a Linksys WRT54GL, I've > >>> decided to stick with Gentoo routers. This increases the > >>> number of Gentoo systems I'm responsible for and they're > >>> nearing double-digits. What can be done to make the > >>> management > >>> of multiple Gentoo systems easier? I think identical > >>> hardware > >>> in each system would help a lot but I'm not sure that's > >>> practical. I need to put together a bunch of new > >>> workstations > >>> and I'm thinking some sort of server/client arrangement with > >>> the only Gentoo install being on the server could be > >>> appropriate. > >>> > >>> - Grant > >>> > >> You may want to look at something like a config management > > > > system. > > > >> I'm using Puppet these days, but Gentoo support isn't > >> spectacular. It would be a bit complex to have Puppet install > >> the packages with the correct USE flags. However you could > >> use Puppet to manage all the text files and then manage the > >> packages somewhat manually. > > > > Give chef a try. > > > > It overcomes a lot of the issue puppet ran into, and of course > > makes new ones all of it's won, but by and large chef is more > > flexible. > > Too late. I've already put a year in with Puppet and have too much > working code to switch. Also I'm not much of a programmer so I get a > bit more out of the DSL though my templates are getting fairly > fancy these days. For anyone else interested in what we're talking > about, here's a fairly balanced and up to date link talking about > some of the differences. > > http://redbluemagenta.com/2011/05/21/puppet-vs-chef/ At least with puppet you can still work around shortcomings as you find them (no black box tricks in puttet) But regardless of it's quality, it's still 1,000,000's of times better than doing it all manually! -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com