From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5614138AE9 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 16:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DFCAA2BC008; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 16:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wm0-x22b.google.com (mail-wm0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67B21E0F14 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 16:19:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id n138so49002814wmg.2 for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 08:19:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yI8z8Zx+um706x5sakv3rsudWklxtMHcogqdiIOOr1k=; b=UjTmT0BPmCAx2AJe/Z9QEkH6sz7PnaE+I42g9aKvcK4l8UE3SpATBgZjrfSHTkNqXc 0iTUDQgQyVeLco3bFSaVwSNE0Ni92F8bUj1gFzcLBXA/im6E2ZAMLzk+IunaByRFpftT Nx5+0eWg55LeSIjs97sZPSYNubxA6/QTexDbPLhKGnhkS5jS/T8UmDXDPkVxTl1GEEjf DySNt5u2ENHPURcfeDxlnVm0CLhpN1m23CXQ4xcQT794shat0GLGJqT8n3uAv1XVsROG UXMxnLByLDzQSFuUhg5jAXDC1bBPdv0rpk+6mpyVTnBPUtjEQf7KUz1pLXL1s3+rleg2 RREg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yI8z8Zx+um706x5sakv3rsudWklxtMHcogqdiIOOr1k=; b=Re5vdIWt37LfKFsbvYa2RH9jPEN/aRBTaCR0b4j8syHoDWnZ8gOZYPu7eN8z3LSDDF OC8/OyJkVaAmnohr9E8fbspNGMQ73MzVOPV6T3yekPGmKpqW89uDGknkjKeGgvoIgXiw RMy+JDJ+BBW5WO9lPkOA7ZWKFWXvOuavQNmnqpuQCM08IV6WcuBs1twJFLqZMDoo46/T 09PlPkKtXhwafXD7WMvOfBRG5GIJq3bXsQhRCI7AmMhLDSr4KCum10kL9RvkbY131TD2 2F2qec3CEtbZ/Mk+Ev7re7JWzOI8oaRDVvCJZwBt8uMBnumgKX9LGCfpmkkGHQNE2J1f /tGQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLqNJVAJoJY62lx6qka9duW82U0SKkoUp3CG82ZSfHfI81tgH+h nhqLRuEWDfIfB55IBUT8tg5YWgVA X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBoviTa/5eAgVQhc9RYJ4aJVwQ+TKOZnffFL+exmTP5tMNq1CZ/GCavsqVv2jPJhjxt2TzR4nYw== X-Received: by 10.80.173.170 with SMTP id a39mr44898744edd.49.1514564339912; Fri, 29 Dec 2017 08:18:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.20.0.40] ([197.101.48.133]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d9sm34812041edb.18.2017.12.29.08.18.58 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 29 Dec 2017 08:18:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: [was: What can cause printer to crop top of page?] /etc/papersize is ignored To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <9349542.N0JEzlDTSJ@dell_xps> <11745435.Y3a0HW5Ij6@dell_xps> <20171229135731.GC15274@ACM> <9730445.NztkX14fUN@peak> From: Alan McKinnon Message-ID: <3cba0e23-5fde-3ed0-4077-3135cfa118c3@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 18:13:32 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9730445.NztkX14fUN@peak> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4af99711-2f72-4af7-99bd-567126c0a995 X-Archives-Hash: 3b12a0cb0b00db46cc060381a0b5fc1d On 29/12/2017 16:30, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Friday, 29 December 2017 13:57:31 GMT Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> I think the bug is that "A4" has to be set in so many places, where "so >> many" means more than one. In a well designed printing system, there >> would be just one place to set it. > > And that would have to be /etc/papersize, no? No, not really. IIRC that comes from ages back in time when lpd was all the rage and really refers to the computer *driving* the printer, not the computer *using* the printer Nowadays you can have as many printers as you want (even printers that are not physical objects, like pdf) and each printer can have as many different page sizes as it has trays. The only "correct" place for papersize nowadays is in whatever the user is using to get something to print. And there are lots of those. Something like CUPS ought to make it all so much easier but I find CUPS just makes my life insanely difficult. So I mail my docs to my wife and she prints them from Windows for me > >>> I'm posting this here to save others time, should they come across the >>> same problem. >> >> I've been luckier with printing, but thanks all the same. Who knows >> when I might no longer be so lucky. > > Indeed. > -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckinnon@gmail.com