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[74.188.243.161]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v13sm3419518ook.13.2020.12.13.12.06.36 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 13 Dec 2020 12:06:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] update fails, but I don't see why To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org References: <650a1d1d-e2a6-6a55-b07b-af65a877d44e@web.de> <20201212223503.6d46ad41@digimed.co.uk> <32af647f-a0e1-77e7-ff0f-4a5495e45f6b@web.de> <20201213081731.16f5dc53@digimed.co.uk> From: Dale Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=rdalek1967@gmail.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= mQINBFxc7MgBEAC+zrgEdqJJiDe/UDAB+ScmferXWfJTVjbVT2T4DQ7jiLrgP9aNUo1HioNF mrU3JPOCR32gvZyTbY1+niO5+VSo/+pSqQ785h6ZDj1klMkrg6tEzGnf2MNBpBj4houZwxQ+ WDKKTg2M9F+lv8wTIdR/JQn+hSviktLMtrghQlyLhpapsLXWLA6gMFebpQYwxUwemvan8ddX lQvJe9FGyFYvBi0dp1gl10F2O+DVZJxvX8xkX+yImVlhVJiC31gXHRcj+Qlo7gprlU7TIieF Uow6/ZvYKJ26pztVdFCg5w0rMJkF/x8Zd4A6wnuptiAPmWaQ1+YKgYDonbDUgwqFSx5/lN5z DGZ4LlioxeUTTPVvZsqBIeDz6jNFA583OYbo1/S26dqrvTFf2DKlsvoDpVfAhNlwJPjoixs0 X3FNqPv+M10n4kq5Iz7Q9E3O4s/nfFIYGocEslVka7zZPkXSaHbsn+KJlY8XV6qxtCEdh0/V XX1+1aU2J74M0JikWhpwxTZ1dP5aOyWSPPEgFFIRW6xwwC02SoRH9a7mggfGYp/YjPlONNaT SCL8sgRfvmq3D0XTbLyTjSbExxkfKDmbePQagawDE3TlI/oivHf1JaAcbwMb3LZuU4TGcOIl 5D+x7q0MUIeCop0ZFOwAnqW3AVVNvsBkv2KN+IHJryWAf0/iMQARAQABtBtEYWxlIDxyZGFs ZWsxOTY3QGdtYWlsLmNvbT6JAk4EEwEIADgWIQTZ7suruPBaS60bCYXvEM/XWu+ZnAUCXFzs yAIbIwULCQgHAgYVCgkICwIEFgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRDvEM/XWu+ZnN+7D/4/1dNG4aCz0+v+ 0dcjV5tY1feYEWCdHKyDzxWBxlCpd/0NPRQeNY4VMjbCl/sq7GkXi/c2SbfWDQ5BQRkkExG1 pSwuXSIehGok/4fpTi3HDAguRvzdCqlKPt7me05FyiC/WnpY5GOlJ3ruGw2qABv/RmV2q5b/ tkq7h1y1f16DTNr3/nsj8HzHcrHdXdL4kaYChSOe/dbQR9Stqak7eMyR+iwvrJMNF/CGl70P 2x5ybsXMDzRVOqNcpa5ZdhEMTVh6+vC1SOmm1BFMF8XCqBEvBbcHWDQmGYTdNCsS/ADm8CBl gvjJgLdIsAzoMu4WHQDFnzXAoArqFWgAf53isOS4AWrv29tF9b8Aa1vb7h5JEa+ArcMsA6Gl X38+GY6WXXaxKI9n3PTCWu9tPGnRh7mABjnwEosDDqmzw8aTAYECb3avDuGY2rmcjgh4H6RE w08d63j1T4d5J9wlm4TGtW/VHgbUFkATEdH3Acl/EjFiyqTiX7p8kU6Reu5enIkogA93xoQh Rmy7ZiST/5LN+ZkaOdyjIw0L+5KalslN9SKt809YxgJ6kPo657LNTFPiFvFA46/SEWcBYrzq Xk0wEW0gBRWf+BqN0qRhU0/EQ+QfRdLLFg2xtUePwlheYLXxfyDLrdCCOLWYpkzbjCZHLS4u 69smbvR9S9KBDNzJybxEWrkCDQRcXOzIARAA5IGRWTqaM44IJgBYghZg2fGj0Am7KWPhE7V7 T/EEe7vVSUEFqHtlHzI4ZK6Q0AZ9uAEjE8IJIQ7KoTjzNqAtabP0vp3s0szgtJlsZ+8vGKlQ my7fvzSrdoQL0Xn7CEwJYFXJ1EMUcYIQeoHG1cUAaXx73k9BFbjwjnUeMrqlV/ZovQlg7duW nESfQ7HZu5NrtYyY3jPMUouxiO9WQPh+IHxZbt1absF2VcvRAymD32RxGvMPbw6ChMRD/p9O 4PH7M5rXaxr78NXQX9E48vrI00f1cYb9NSN1HnSV8cW3jKObVjdBk6jPQwrMvdpgdQhUB9aZ HS/9mC9mmAgiXKyCpzXe7FPB6QznSfn4GIaC/luy1e6SLUkJhRK/niB+gq+Mfxg2zXNuDUTI cMGmpDCp3kgUoorkaltk8RW09io95BkXrGhcDNuSGZfAParBc7RXyYpbIcax8St7tEAd2oFh 4seYOPUlzuhGrPpqR/91wrFc4E1260GKauSr4UhMJv6tygBwyC0mmBMKi+ZXw6ZdZxA5fg7y 35P3TILjznCXXTDgRHq9A3NknKRMcgFacX6eIhANkMFo6oJVjuEgy1dvu1wFfDq7c+i8GAHu L4pYzyXYu6PporlNNU0xSwdVgzM/uuK0lt+UxCimgC+YR3IezgDcbfudb7h9dGIwL+bbPL0A EQEAAYkCNgQYAQgAIBYhBNnuy6u48FpLrRsJhe8Qz9da75mcBQJcXOzIAhsMAAoJEO8Qz9da 75mcXZ4P/1YXgWDZek7mhzrf6uaQzMxa92P89HeWz4PlgB/32symeEFAV04WazzBZffI8AYY rGA1Xmu/2VaB9+FOODyKhUWBc2UL0NRWBk6POwboyTdKlclmpixaN9zLcBt0YLejoRfN1B/5 aQf9/lUDZMnAiCyz0FgeqEMUshldmwWC35RqnjrCbbuk2vIqSH6BLDIXU6jQrLHE1DF0ai41 wLtQFAFXPhn45n0ZwYhVs4Z32z4sjXrIvgBgCaXa4HM+L1Klne0KiNM8ReFTTpTE0SgyDOSZ O3MOa2n77i6JbVtsbiFYnNeP3J9S/l3jevGpZEtNQOKrIm1MW8jGuHWtsDeMkT/mCcSodlkt PxIo+mMK9GpGvG2hW80LiohqNfUbNwAmr3blOYY4URPXPRnEnPs4pmTmL5owjw2dkg145i9I D42Tq+XZ6YtWt3SGzGbAYow6XwTwZ5NFAzV9UQuCGrDw4KWan6O6Z+VIYWsn0UMZlu1Obxna aocofkaUCbISK26kImuD1aA8juSHC18Qv1xUage6/UakbSxyDtACqt6hOVFKX3IA59ApdNRT +2x3iCmlvF9MJsGgFq6IpqL+Fk7iWV8Kjbz0wQOId6N9+JdQh3LrLaS7a1PowUm1z9DK5/O0 Yg+gpDnEOOFI7WM5u7a7FSM2Z/LXGVwel/0eWvLk9tN6 Message-ID: <3c2d9eae-d102-d695-a512-09cbfea13b4a@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 14:06:32 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.5.1 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Archives-Salt: 6fa795e6-2d00-4280-a857-018c2d1594e2 X-Archives-Hash: b93de7ec8b6d95ee7ebe6bc4539385b9 Mark Knecht wrote: > > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 12:03 PM n952162 > wrote: > > > > On 12/13/20 9:18 AM, Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > > > > Nearly 2 months, quite a long time in Gentoo update terms. > > > > > > > > > > Okay, is the solution then to re-install? > > > > Personally I wouldn't start with a reinstall. > > I'd start with my world file and remove/comment out every > 'application' not required to keep the machine running/booting. That > should be nearly everything other than things like grub, your kernels, > hardware drivers, terminals, etc.  > > NOTE: Just because you comment something out in the world file doesn't > mean it won't run, it just won't get updated or be part of portage's > considerations about what to do. > > At that point emerge @world should only be considering, from a build > POV, the stuff you really need. > > This python problem everyone is having I cannot help with. Solving > problems like that is why people run Gentoo. With lots of power comes > lots of responsibility. However with all the applications > 'unconsidered' you have a chance of getting the really important stuff > built and booting. > > If I got that far then I'd start adding apps back in/uncommenting one > or two at a time and see if I could make headway. > > I've updated machines that were a year out of date but it took days > and days. If I didn't want to build code every week I decided I > couldn't run Gentoo. > > HTH, > Mark I agree.  I update once a week.  It seems a pretty good balance between not having to do it to often and not having such drastic changes that it makes things hard to work through.  That said, when the tree is in the process of huge changes, it can create problems even with weekly updates.  Right now, it is python and the speed it is moving at.  Some versions that have been around for ages, 2.7, is being removed.  Then python 3.6 is leaving etc etc etc.  Those of us that have been around long enough have seen this with other packages as well.  Some packages are just hard to upgrade to begin with and some create circular problems. The longer it goes between updates, the larger that problem gets to be.  You get two different packages doing that, you can find yourself running around in circles trying to get emerge to chew what it can.  While I usually do updates on Sunday evening, I'm considering doing twice a week, Sunday and Wednesday.  At least until python settles down a bit. Thing is, I think the worst part may be about over.  I think 2.7 is gone here, I think 3.6 is too.  That's two down.  It seems 3.7 and above will be around a while but if they start going away soon, I may do two updates a week if it starts making updates harder.  Time can be a problem but sometimes it just depends on what packages have changed and how fast they have changed.  For some systems that haven't been updated in a while, having to remove python 2.7 and 3.6 in one go, can cause problems that are hard to get around.  Right now just isn't a good time to let updates get to far apart.  The only thing that makes some of this survivable, getting help on this mailing list.  Some people can decode the output of emerge and find a way to work through it. Some are fairly easy, some not so much.  Sometimes removing/commenting out things in the world file will help. Sometimes doing @system first helps. Sometimes you just have to update certain packages in small chunks to get through a upgrade.  Finding that right option sometimes requires help.  Just some thoughts. Dale :-)  :-)