[gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Mick]

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Hi All,

I got mixed up with the various .fdi files in a previous thread, thinking that 
this is what killed my X GUI.  However, it seems that the problem is most 
likely related to rc.conf.  Has this file been done away with as far as Gentoo 
is concerned?  I say this because I discovered that running dispatch.conf 
after sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.13 substitutes /etc/rc.conf with an empty file.  
Mind you, even if the file contains the previous information about XSESSION 
xdm or slim do not seem to use it now.

If this is the case, am I right to assume that the files in 
/etc/X11/Sessions/* are not used anymore and the solution is to set up a local 
~/.xinitrc file for launching the desired WM?

I am muddled up because I have forever it seems used /etc/rc.conf to manage 
the XSESSION which xdm would pick from /etc/X11/Sessions/* to start different 
WMs.

Right now I have copied the contents of /etc/X11/Sessions/fluxbox into 
~/.xinitrc, added slim's /usr/share/doc/slim-1.3.1-r4/xinitrc.sample.bz2 and 
that's how I can get fluxbox to come up.

What is the default Gentoo way these days of bringing up an X session?

PS.  Is there a clever way of killing slim?  It seems that /etc/init.d/xdm 
stop/zap won't kill slim or the X session that it starts.  I need to manually 
run kill -9 to make it give up.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I got mixed up with the various .fdi files in a previous thread, thinking that 
> this is what killed my X GUI.  However, it seems that the problem is most 
> likely related to rc.conf.  Has this file been done away with as far as Gentoo 
> is concerned?  I say this because I discovered that running dispatch.conf 
> after sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.13 substitutes /etc/rc.conf with an empty file.  
> Mind you, even if the file contains the previous information about XSESSION 
> xdm or slim do not seem to use it now.
>
> If this is the case, am I right to assume that the files in 
> /etc/X11/Sessions/* are not used anymore and the solution is to set up a local 
> ~/.xinitrc file for launching the desired WM?
>
> I am muddled up because I have forever it seems used /etc/rc.conf to manage 
> the XSESSION which xdm would pick from /etc/X11/Sessions/* to start different 
> WMs.
>
> Right now I have copied the contents of /etc/X11/Sessions/fluxbox into 
> ~/.xinitrc, added slim's /usr/share/doc/slim-1.3.1-r4/xinitrc.sample.bz2 and 
> that's how I can get fluxbox to come up.
>
> What is the default Gentoo way these days of bringing up an X session?
>
> PS.  Is there a clever way of killing slim?  It seems that /etc/init.d/xdm 
> stop/zap won't kill slim or the X session that it starts.  I need to manually 
> run kill -9 to make it give up.
>   

Well, I'm a KDE guy myself so this may just be completely wrong here.  I 
put my X stuff in /etc/conf.d/xdm and it tells what I am using for my 
GUI.  Again, I don't have Fluxbox and I understand it works differently 
so this may be as far off as Pluto. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Mick]

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On Sunday 13 December 2009 20:22:03 Dale wrote:
> Mick wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I got mixed up with the various .fdi files in a previous thread, thinking
> > that this is what killed my X GUI.  However, it seems that the problem is
> > most likely related to rc.conf.  Has this file been done away with as far
> > as Gentoo is concerned?  I say this because I discovered that running
> > dispatch.conf after sys-apps/baselayout-1.12.13 substitutes /etc/rc.conf
> > with an empty file. Mind you, even if the file contains the previous
> > information about XSESSION xdm or slim do not seem to use it now.
> >
> > If this is the case, am I right to assume that the files in
> > /etc/X11/Sessions/* are not used anymore and the solution is to set up a
> > local ~/.xinitrc file for launching the desired WM?
> >
> > I am muddled up because I have forever it seems used /etc/rc.conf to
> > manage the XSESSION which xdm would pick from /etc/X11/Sessions/* to
> > start different WMs.
> >
> > Right now I have copied the contents of /etc/X11/Sessions/fluxbox into
> > ~/.xinitrc, added slim's /usr/share/doc/slim-1.3.1-r4/xinitrc.sample.bz2
> > and that's how I can get fluxbox to come up.
> >
> > What is the default Gentoo way these days of bringing up an X session?
> >
> > PS.  Is there a clever way of killing slim?  It seems that
> > /etc/init.d/xdm stop/zap won't kill slim or the X session that it starts.
> >  I need to manually run kill -9 to make it give up.
> 
> Well, I'm a KDE guy myself so this may just be completely wrong here.  I
> put my X stuff in /etc/conf.d/xdm and it tells what I am using for my
> GUI.  Again, I don't have Fluxbox and I understand it works differently
> so this may be as far off as Pluto.

Thanks Dale, 

The /etc/conf.d/xdm file, which arrived after the /etc/rc.conf days, is indeed 
used to set up the Display Manager, but not the Window Manager/Display 
Environment X session.  The latter was being defined in rc.conf, but this I 
think is no longer the case - hence I am asking here.
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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Mike Mazur]

Hi,

I ran across this issue last night.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:30, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> If this is the case, am I right to assume that the files in
> /etc/X11/Sessions/* are not used anymore and the solution is to set up a local
> ~/.xinitrc file for launching the desired WM?

The scripts in /etc/X11/Sessions/ can still be used.

> I am muddled up because I have forever it seems used /etc/rc.conf to manage
> the XSESSION which xdm would pick from /etc/X11/Sessions/* to start different
> WMs.

At some point /etc/rc.conf was no longer being sourced. Instead,
setting the XSESSION variable in /etc/env.d is the correct way to do
it. From the pkg_postinst section of the x11-apps/xinit ebuild[1]:

	ewarn "If you use startx to start X instead of a login manager like gdm/kdm,"
	ewarn "you can set the XSESSION variable to anything in /etc/X11/Sessions/ or"
	ewarn "any executable. When you run startx, it will run this as the
login session."
	ewarn "You can set this in a file in /etc/env.d/ for the entire system,"
	ewarn "or set it per-user in ~/.bash_profile (or similar for other shells)."
	ewarn "Here's an example of setting it for the whole system:"
	ewarn "    echo XSESSION=\"Gnome\" > /etc/env.d/90xsession"
	ewarn "    env-update && source /etc/profile"

So, creating /etc/env.d/90xsession with the contents XSESSION="Gnome"
(I use Gnome) did the trick.

Hope that helps,
Mike


[1] http://gentoo-portage.com/AJAX/Ebuild/100485/View

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Dale]

Mick wrote:
> Thanks Dale, 
>
> The /etc/conf.d/xdm file, which arrived after the /etc/rc.conf days, is indeed 
> used to set up the Display Manager, but not the Window Manager/Display 
> Environment X session.  The latter was being defined in rc.conf, but this I 
> think is no longer the case - hence I am asking here.
>   

I was thinking Fluxbox used a different method but thought it worth 
mentioning since looking wouldn't hurt.  I see someone else posted 
something so maybe that will help. 

Dale

:-)  :-) 

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:43:41 +0000, Mick wrote:

> The /etc/conf.d/xdm file, which arrived after the /etc/rc.conf days, is
> indeed used to set up the Display Manager, but not the Window
> Manager/Display Environment X session.  The latter was being defined in
> rc.conf, but this I think is no longer the case - hence I am asking
> here.

The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use.
Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user
system.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

DOS never says "EXCELLENT command or filename"...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Mick]

2009/12/13 Mike Mazur <mmazur@gmail.com>:

> I ran across this issue last night.
>
> At some point /etc/rc.conf was no longer being sourced. Instead,
> setting the XSESSION variable in /etc/env.d is the correct way to do
> it. From the pkg_postinst section of the x11-apps/xinit ebuild[1]:
>
>        ewarn "If you use startx to start X instead of a login manager like gdm/kdm,"
>        ewarn "you can set the XSESSION variable to anything in /etc/X11/Sessions/ or"
>        ewarn "any executable. When you run startx, it will run this as the
> login session."
>        ewarn "You can set this in a file in /etc/env.d/ for the entire system,"
>        ewarn "or set it per-user in ~/.bash_profile (or similar for other shells)."
>        ewarn "Here's an example of setting it for the whole system:"
>        ewarn "    echo XSESSION=\"Gnome\" > /etc/env.d/90xsession"
>        ewarn "    env-update && source /etc/profile"
>
> So, creating /etc/env.d/90xsession with the contents XSESSION="Gnome"
> (I use Gnome) did the trick.

Thanks Mike, most helpful!  What happens if you want to switch between
different sessions at/from the Display Manager stage?  Do you place
them all in /etc/env.d/90xsession ?
-- 
Regards,
Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Mick]

2009/12/13 Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk>:
> On Sun, 13 Dec 2009 20:43:41 +0000, Mick wrote:
>
>> The /etc/conf.d/xdm file, which arrived after the /etc/rc.conf days, is
>> indeed used to set up the Display Manager, but not the Window
>> Manager/Display Environment X session.  The latter was being defined in
>> rc.conf, but this I think is no longer the case - hence I am asking
>> here.
>
> The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use.
> Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user
> system.

Thanks Neil,

So, where would you specify which DE/WM session the xdm Display
Manager will load up for a specific user in a Gentoo set up?
(assuming that there is such a thing as a Gentoo default way of doing
this).
-- 
Regards,
Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Mike Mazur]

Hi,

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 19:17, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2009/12/13 Mike Mazur <mmazur@gmail.com>:
>
>> I ran across this issue last night.
>>
>> At some point /etc/rc.conf was no longer being sourced. Instead,
>> setting the XSESSION variable in /etc/env.d is the correct way to do
>> it. From the pkg_postinst section of the x11-apps/xinit ebuild[1]:
>>
>>        ewarn "If you use startx to start X instead of a login manager like gdm/kdm,"
>>        ewarn "you can set the XSESSION variable to anything in /etc/X11/Sessions/ or"
>>        ewarn "any executable. When you run startx, it will run this as the
>> login session."
>>        ewarn "You can set this in a file in /etc/env.d/ for the entire system,"
>>        ewarn "or set it per-user in ~/.bash_profile (or similar for other shells)."
>>        ewarn "Here's an example of setting it for the whole system:"
>>        ewarn "    echo XSESSION=\"Gnome\" > /etc/env.d/90xsession"
>>        ewarn "    env-update && source /etc/profile"
>>
>> So, creating /etc/env.d/90xsession with the contents XSESSION="Gnome"
>> (I use Gnome) did the trick.
>
> Thanks Mike, most helpful!  What happens if you want to switch between
> different sessions at/from the Display Manager stage?  Do you place
> them all in /etc/env.d/90xsession ?

Sorry, I'm not sure how to do that. I'm the only user on my system and
I don't use a graphical login manager.

Mike

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Patrick Holthaus]

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Hi!

> > Thanks Mike, most helpful!  What happens if you want to switch between
> > different sessions at/from the Display Manager stage?  Do you place
> > them all in /etc/env.d/90xsession ?
>
> Sorry, I'm not sure how to do that. I'm the only user on my system and
> I don't use a graphical login manager.

For example KDM (and GDM, i think) look for *.desktop files in 
/usr/share/xsessions.

HTH
Patrick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Neil Bothwick]

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On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:18:56 +0000, Mick wrote:

> > The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use.
> > Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user
> > system.  

> So, where would you specify which DE/WM session the xdm Display
> Manager will load up for a specific user in a Gentoo set up?
> (assuming that there is such a thing as a Gentoo default way of doing
> this).

I used xdm once, that was more than enough. gdm and kdm both have options
to do this, as did the one whose name I cannot remember that I tried
once. Alternatively, you can use the XSESSION environment variable or use
the standard .xinitrc/.xsession way of doing things. I'd either do that
latter or use a more flexible display manager, I find xdm horrible.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

Why is it that when you transport something by car it's called shipment,
but when you transport it by ship it's called cargo?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Allan Gottlieb]

At Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:22:42 +0000 Neil Bothwick <neil@digimed.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:18:56 +0000, Mick wrote:
>
>> > The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use.
>> > Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user
>> > system.  
>
>> So, where would you specify which DE/WM session the xdm Display
>> Manager will load up for a specific user in a Gentoo set up?
>> (assuming that there is such a thing as a Gentoo default way of doing
>> this).
>
> I used xdm once, that was more than enough. gdm and kdm both have options
> to do this, as did the one whose name I cannot remember that I tried
> once. Alternatively, you can use the XSESSION environment variable or use
> the standard .xinitrc/.xsession way of doing things. I'd either do that
> latter or use a more flexible display manager, I find xdm horrible.

I use gdm and do successfully get my WM set up.

However, I would like to set (augment) PATH early so that, for example,
the gnome panel has the path and hence all the launchers do.

I know it is just one line in the shell
export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
but I don't know what file to put it in.

It would be acceptable, but not preferable, if this was set for all
users; the only requirement is that it is set for user gottlieb.

thanks,
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Mick]

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On Monday 14 December 2009 12:22:42 Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:18:56 +0000, Mick wrote:
> > > The DE/WM to use is specified by whatever display manager you use.
> > > Setting it in a global configuration file is pointless on a multi-user
> > > system.
> >
> > So, where would you specify which DE/WM session the xdm Display
> > Manager will load up for a specific user in a Gentoo set up?
> > (assuming that there is such a thing as a Gentoo default way of doing
> > this).
> 
> I used xdm once, that was more than enough. gdm and kdm both have options
> to do this, as did the one whose name I cannot remember that I tried
> once. Alternatively, you can use the XSESSION environment variable or use
> the standard .xinitrc/.xsession way of doing things. I'd either do that
> latter or use a more flexible display manager, I find xdm horrible.

You're right, although xdm can be beautified if you have the time or 
inclination to look into /etc/X11/xdm/Xresources.

When I am looking for my XSESSION I get nothing:

$ echo $SESSION


How do I set this up, other than Mike's suggestion of '/etc/env.d/90xsession'?
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[pk]

Allan Gottlieb wrote:

> I know it is just one line in the shell
> export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
> but I don't know what file to put it in.
>
> It would be acceptable, but not preferable, if this was set for all
> users; the only requirement is that it is set for user gottlieb.

For all users: /etc/profile (if using bourne derived shells like bash)
		or
		/etc/profile.csh (for c shell derivatives)

For only your user: ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc or ~/.*rc
or whatever is used for your particular shell dialect.

HTH

Best regards

Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Allan Gottlieb]

At Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:55:35 +0100 pk <peterk2@coolmail.se> wrote:

> Allan Gottlieb wrote:
>
>> I know it is just one line in the shell
>> export PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
>> but I don't know what file to put it in.
>>
>> It would be acceptable, but not preferable, if this was set for all
>> users; the only requirement is that it is set for user gottlieb.
>
> For all users: /etc/profile (if using bourne derived shells like bash)
> 		or
> 		/etc/profile.csh (for c shell derivatives)
>
> For only your user: ~/.profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bashrc or ~/.*rc
> or whatever is used for your particular shell dialect.
>
> HTH

Does that get sourced by the gnome panel so that launchers see it?
I hadn't thought so, but will try it.
Thanks.
allan

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Mike Edenfield]

On 12/14/2009 3:50 PM, Mick wrote:
> When I am looking for my XSESSION I get nothing:
>
> $ echo $SESSION
>
>
> How do I set this up, other than Mike's suggestion of '/etc/env.d/90xsession'?

With baselayout-2, setting it in /etc/env.d is the correct method; if 
you want per-user sessions you can also set it in your local .bashrc file.

Also, note: $XSESSION != $SESSION, just in case it's already set and you 
missed it.

--Mike

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Mick]

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On Monday 14 December 2009 22:45:54 Mike Edenfield wrote:
> On 12/14/2009 3:50 PM, Mick wrote:
> > When I am looking for my XSESSION I get nothing:
> >
> > $ echo $SESSION
> >
> >
> > How do I set this up, other than Mike's suggestion of
> > '/etc/env.d/90xsession'?
> 
> With baselayout-2, setting it in /etc/env.d is the correct method; if
> you want per-user sessions you can also set it in your local .bashrc file.
> 
> Also, note: $XSESSION != $SESSION, just in case it's already set and you
> missed it.

Ooops sorry!  Mistyped - should have been $XSESSION.

Thanks.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[daid kahl]

2009/12/14 Mike Mazur <mmazur@gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 19:17, Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2009/12/13 Mike Mazur <mmazur@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I ran across this issue last night.
>>>
>>> At some point /etc/rc.conf was no longer being sourced. Instead,
>>> setting the XSESSION variable in /etc/env.d is the correct way to do
>>> it. From the pkg_postinst section of the x11-apps/xinit ebuild[1]:
>>>
>>>        ewarn "If you use startx to start X instead of a login manager like gdm/kdm,"
>>>        ewarn "you can set the XSESSION variable to anything in /etc/X11/Sessions/ or"
>>>        ewarn "any executable. When you run startx, it will run this as the
>>> login session."
>>>        ewarn "You can set this in a file in /etc/env.d/ for the entire system,"
>>>        ewarn "or set it per-user in ~/.bash_profile (or similar for other shells)."
>>>        ewarn "Here's an example of setting it for the whole system:"
>>>        ewarn "    echo XSESSION=\"Gnome\" > /etc/env.d/90xsession"
>>>        ewarn "    env-update && source /etc/profile"
>>>
>>> So, creating /etc/env.d/90xsession with the contents XSESSION="Gnome"
>>> (I use Gnome) did the trick.
>>
>> Thanks Mike, most helpful!  What happens if you want to switch between
>> different sessions at/from the Display Manager stage?  Do you place
>> them all in /etc/env.d/90xsession ?
>
> Sorry, I'm not sure how to do that. I'm the only user on my system and
> I don't use a graphical login manager.
>
> Mike

This post might go without saying...

You can just set this up in ~/.xinitrc then.

exec startxfce4

or whatever...

Regards,
daid

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Marcus Wanner]

On 12/15/2009 12:29 AM, daid kahl wrote:
> You can just set this up in ~/.xinitrc then.
>
> exec startxfce4
(that's actually startxfce)

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[pk]

Allan Gottlieb wrote:

> Does that get sourced by the gnome panel so that launchers see it?
> I hadn't thought so, but will try it.

Hm... X/xDM is started from a virtual console (mine is usually started
from VC-7, which is the default). That's where your login should happen,
so everything started after that should inherit the environment
variables. I would assume gnome DE (everything related to) uses the same
"tactic"... but given the gnome developers ms-windows fanatiscism I
wouldn't be surprised if it didn't.

Best regards / MfG

Peter K

Re: [gentoo-user] Is rc.conf no longer used by Gentoo (baselayout-1.12.13)?

[Allan Gottlieb]

At Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:16:30 +0100 pk <peterk2@coolmail.se> wrote:

> Allan Gottlieb wrote:
>
>> Does that get sourced by the gnome panel so that launchers see it?
>> I hadn't thought so, but will try it.
>
> Hm... X/xDM is started from a virtual console (mine is usually started
> from VC-7, which is the default). That's where your login should happen,
> so everything started after that should inherit the environment
> variables. I would assume gnome DE (everything related to) uses the same
> "tactic"... but given the gnome developers ms-windows fanatiscism I
> wouldn't be surprised if it didn't.

Adding
  export $PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH
to ~/.profile does seem to work so thank you.

But I am surprised.  X/xDM runs as root so wouldn't look in my .profile
when *IT* starts.  I had assumed (incorrectly) that I had to put the
above export into one of the startup files mentioned in the man pages,
but couldn't figure out which one.
It is indeed much easier than I thought!

thanks again,
allan