Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Is gnome becoming obligatory?

[Marc Joliet <marcec@gmx.de>]

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Am Mittwoch, 13. Dezember 2017, 20:37:47 CET schrieb Alan Mackenzie:
> > > I've no idea how good systemd is.  It's not been through the normal
> > > process of choice and selection that other successful packages have.  It
> > > was forced on people.  But being forced to have a binary system log,
> > > being forced (so I have heard) to have an http server running, ....,
> > > doesn't make it an attractive package for me.
> > 
> > *All* of this is "so I have heard".  What happened to researching stuff as
> > the better alternative to speaking out of your ass?
> 
> What have I done to deserve this abusive style of repartee?  I have never
> doled this out to anybody on this list in the past, and have no intention
> of doing so in the future.

You're right, you received the brunt of my built up aggression from this 
thread.  I'm sorry for that.

> Yes, there are a lot of "so I have heard"s in my posts.  Asking people on
> this list to confirm or refute things is a form of research, and a lot
> more efficient than many other ones.
> 
> There are several tens of thousands of packages in Gentoo, and I lack the
> time personally to investigate each one.  Asking people who already use
> them and post on this list is a normal thing to do.  Answering questions
> about packages one oneself uses is the flip side of that coin.

Except that you're not exactly asking questions, now are you?  You asked Neil 
one, but only after a longer to and fro.  If you *had* actually started out 
asking questions, as opposed to spouting hearsay and then even literally 
saying that you couldn't be bothered to research systemd yourself, my response 
would have been drastically different.  Remember that everybody is here on 
their own time, and not everybody wants to spend it responding to questions 
that can easily be answered by reading documentation.  I'm already wasting 
oodles of time writing this as is.

If you *really* are interested, there is a longer thread on gentoo-amd64 where 
I wrote about my experience switching to systemd [0] (keep in mind, however, 
that a bunch of it is outdated by now, such as how I manage networking and 
backups).  It could be interesting especially since it's mostly about actually 
solving problems.

I could list specific features of systemd that I like and make use of (such as 
socket activation, autofs integration, user units, nspawn, or the journal), 
but thinking about it, it's a "more than the sum of its parts" kind of deal.  
Managing a system with systemd is just overall pleasant for me.

[ And I never again have to deal with the state of a service being misreported 
by OpenRC because a daemons PID file has the wrong PID in it, or with stopping 
a service not actually stopping it, both of which I had experienced multiple 
times. ]

[0] https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-amd64/message/
58c67218a203b84318d52a39c3c67f73

Greetings
-- 
Marc Joliet
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"People who think they know everything really annoy those of us who know we
don't" - Bjarne Stroustrup

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