From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D60713877A for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 05:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D9399E0B70; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 05:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpq6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net (smtpq6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net [212.54.42.169]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8DCE0B67 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 05:43:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [212.54.42.137] (helo=smtp6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XH4ry-0005cL-9W for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 07:43:38 +0200 Received: from 53579160.cm-6-8c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([83.87.145.96] helo=data.antarean.org) by smtp6.tb.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1XH4rx-0004ah-UG for gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 07:43:38 +0200 Received: from andromeda.localnet (unknown [10.20.13.51]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by data.antarean.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0B84C4C for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2014 07:43:26 +0200 (CEST) From: "J. Roeleveld" To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] unclear (to me) errors from portage Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 07:43:31 +0200 Message-ID: <3913299.blVAWFiYDA@andromeda> Organization: Antarean User-Agent: KMail/4.12.5 (Linux/3.14.14-gentoo; KDE/4.12.5; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <53E5E7AB.2040909@gmail.com> References: <87egwrzmcx.fsf@nyu.edu> <53E5E7AB.2040909@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Ziggo-spambar: ---- X-Ziggo-spamscore: -4.9 X-Ziggo-spamreport: ALL_TRUSTED=-1,BAYES_00=-1.9,PROLO_TRUST_RDNS=-3,RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Flag: No X-Archives-Salt: e5244031-7c5b-43f4-824f-b21c1cc7be65 X-Archives-Hash: 19098a5d0dd7ec966a4aeed7bec2efa6 On Saturday, August 09, 2014 11:19:39 AM Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 09/08/2014 10:20, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On 9 August 2014 09:53:01 CEST, Alan McKinnon wrote: > >> On 09/08/2014 08:35, J. Roeleveld wrote: > >>>> Test vms get updated when I feel like it. Some of them never :-) > >>> > >>> Hope they are behind a firewall then, wouldn't want to know how quick > >> > >> a 2 year > >> > >>> old VM gets 0wned if online. > >> > >> They run locally in virtualbox on the laptop, and are fired up when > >> needed. Like for example when I have to figure out wtf exactly did > >> ubuntu do to munin today to break it *again* > > > > I try to avoid ubuntu. > > Tried it a few years ago. Looked ok, but didn't like the convoluted way to > > do a full update and ended up putting Gentoo on the netbook. > you mean > > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get > autoremove > > ? Yes > Yeah, that drives me nuts too. emerge --sync emerge -vauDN @world This is how to update everything in 1 step. I don't like having to do a different command to update to newer versions. It's convoluted. > But it's better than Red Hat (dependency hell) and makes the office > staff workstations easy to admin (desktop stuff JustWorks for what they > need to do). My solution with RPMs: - Let the desktop try it - Do a new install of latest version (I use Centos on VMs for testing work related stuff) > Plus, I refuse under any circumstances to run Gentoo on production > unless it's backed by a huge build farm or I have a large cluster that > are all identical and have very special needs. I use Gentoo exclusively on the servers and desktops at home. I find it easier and more logical to maintain. I do have a VM dedicated to building binary packages though. > Gentoo has it's uses cases, but a loose collection of servers none of > which are identical is not it. It can be made to work, with some good planning. But I agree that when the amount of servers starts getting quite large, some unification is necessary. But the same then is also true for any other OS. -- Joost