From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KxPyM-0000OA-10 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:45:46 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B494CE0406; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.152]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED9FE0406 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:45:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1396333ywm.46 for ; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:45:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=ZcZWQgewKuvk0lC6mXx+6mYkspx+HSogPQR8Qgz2dgE=; b=yCkjmRd2KLpOR7ifgjzcTddrr9dRdlatFfs6MjXj8Ne2AUTddP394HLibOd2pIp40n CUWGZhh8OUF6pdHmqdH0fjBFeEmA4bv1edNhoxBQ6nPCEhqL4yrUduIiv+fyp5lijwVo AKEpxhljnkYPiijmxoFtKG2jgx67GZyP2/o5c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=vV/mV1CEd13z/cWUROZ1TUa33jD2o8jWlXmUWxVlFyoZSoSjYv36cuapJCFz1iBNHv Eh100FUygcqpLl0HLBoWxFdGaETLUkOJ9raxufPOzKFmj6kxqfepNhw9AlHaofEFIG0g mHBu3BECRBzO8GgjwUw5tmbTUUdK9PruqRfno= Received: by 10.90.94.3 with SMTP id r3mr1315813agb.73.1225820741842; Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Nov 2008 09:45:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38af3d670811040945w34481348r60f70a3e2c3f3bb6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 17:45:41 +0000 From: "Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto" Sender: jorgepeixotomorais@gmail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] e17 overlay bug In-Reply-To: <200811041745.51589.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200811041054.24532.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> <38af3d670811040536ga03bbddic628f4f6e0fa3253@mail.gmail.com> <200811041745.51589.alan.mckinnon@gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9084f2b7cb8c4336 X-Archives-Salt: 113e0aab-2f09-470a-8894-bbc14e08b3ff X-Archives-Hash: 4bc8e528c76a4a37ac1ca804c9c4e568 > Mike Frysinger - he's a busy man :-) He heads up the gentoo toolchain team, is > a lead kernel dev on the blackfin architecture, recently was (maybe still is) > on the gentoo council. And maintains an e17 overlay. Oh boy. I would donate money to him if I wasn't a poor student and if the dollar wasn't so overvalued related to my national currency ($1 was R$1,58 some months ago, but is now R$2,10). By the way, people like him should keep an easy way of receiving anonymous donations. I plan on donating a little money to free software in the future. I think I will donate to national projects, because they are probably more starved than projects in the US, the land where hammers are made of gold. >> Also, why are the snapshot ebuilds so horribly outdated? > The snapshot ebuilds are not out of date - the e17 snapshots are :-) It seems (see http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/LATEST/) that the latest e17 snapshots are from 2008-09-24. However, last time I checked the e17 overlay (and I can't easily check it now because I am at work), the snapshot ebuilds were a year old or something. > If you use e17 svn code, be prepared to act like a dev. That's what the e17 > team expects, that's how they build the thing currently and that's the price > we have to pay to get to use that wm. Well, I guess I will stick with Xfce for a while then. After all, it takes something like two more seconds to load (I measured it some time ago, but forgot the results) than e17 on my Athlon XP 2600+, and that's bearable. Also, while I miss e17 power*, the loss of it is also bearable > I myself got tired of eternally fiddling with e and have resorted to using kde > until things settle down... KDE?! To go from e17 to KDE is a bit extreme; like "this micro-compact does not fulfill my transportation needs, so I will buy an SUV". Why don't you use Xfce? It is small, fast, lightweight, quite configurable (both by GUI and by text files**), compiles very quickly and has everything I want a DE to have. Have you not thought about it? And going off-topic: I mentioned that Gentoo's GCC and Xorg are too old. Do you know if there is any prediction (yes, I know predictions can fail; I am waiting for Debian Lenny since September) for their upgrade? Is there anywhere I can get information like this? * A quick example of e17 power is making my TV-viewing program borderless. Programs that are always on top should be borderless to save screen space. Imagine if, for example, the KDE panel had a border. ** That "programs with a GUI should also have a command-line interface, and configuration should be accessable via both a GUI tool and text files" should be on Software Engineering 101. -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free - Linus Torvalds