From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KuvUx-0004Ty-Mc for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:49:07 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1DF3E026B; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com (yx-out-1718.google.com [74.125.44.156]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845A8E026B for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 20:49:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 4so769589yxp.46 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:49:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender :to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references :x-google-sender-auth; bh=VQ2xeHTh4xCg09XkQdRBlyzwkLoLFmlr9OZMhkxlxYY=; b=PCkxCKpoN4uw7lfmFRNe21ljCKP2iAmir0FOBLf/8rYRh6wUYmkm4qI7GJ4ak8Zvli z4YEQcXT4mA/Qjh1+7auyWVdXu6y4KQOCj3gA3+XSwme8rGsfCnIMtVJidrv0LJE6+XB HtrXx+/RaCNI51uIqcV2H4I3NvrxFw4P665fY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references:x-google-sender-auth; b=mgrI6ljTnJFRo8tU/7DZrOPYkZAeGRKtsBEoqdRxCiyDC/gh57d/uq8mHBbxq8qSpN MWbIYlR1A79ZP9CqKfKpa/Gv10sH7oMNPLUv6yFEZSxHfnct4mg32XEmYfAo5BHQDL+e gaH2TVfpzZa5gNvnMvmZbbmmj1lANk5Bqi87U= Received: by 10.90.96.1 with SMTP id t1mr3835451agb.116.1225226944916; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.81.1 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:49:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38af3d670810281349q18641112pe4f4307cf5e8ec20@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 18:49:04 -0200 From: "Jorge Peixoto de Morais Neto" Sender: jorgepeixotomorais@gmail.com To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] gimp-9999 failed to compile In-Reply-To: <1225113744.7213.1.camel@brotherus.rdu.redhat.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20081025095308.GA26361@stdcall> <68b1e2610810260505t667de3c9n6276e5c6c6421a96@mail.gmail.com> <20081027052124.GA27076@stdcall> <1225113744.7213.1.camel@brotherus.rdu.redhat.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 20324b5a906bed34 X-Archives-Salt: 0ba909dc-4f36-4777-9f71-264e03ecaa07 X-Archives-Hash: 1969decbcd04b40f28e6044a0722cd89 > On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 12:21 +0700, Nickolay Hodyunya wrote: >> Yes, but it seems 0.0.21 is not even released, because there is no >> files to fetch >> from ftp.gimp.org for this version. > > Well, sometimes that happens when you build from trunk (and why it's > usually discouraged). That is not the only reason it is usually discouraged... the main reason is that the code itself is often broken. By the way, there is a contradiction among a subset of the Gentoo users. They spend a lot of time optimizing their system (sometimes even being irresponsible, using absurd CFLAGS), but at the same time they install the very latest software, while 95% of software gets slower with each release. Using the most recent, untested software often leads to bugs and very often leads to decreased performance. What a rational person would do (in my opinion) is 1) A generally stable (no ~arch) system. 2) A few ~arch packages, where the ~arch versions really have important features, and they outweigh the unreliability. One example would be multimedia software, and perhaps Firefox (3.0 is still ~x86). 3) Zero or very few hardmasked or unkeyworded packages, including cvs software. They are hardmasked for a reason. Of course, some people do have a rational reason to download software from cvs, such as developers of that particular software. -- Software is like sex: it is better when it is free - Linus Torvalds