From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QvwCk-0006Np-Tg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 19:00:07 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F3BDA21C25A; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:59:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E6521C24F for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:57:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwj26 with SMTP id 26so3413980wwj.4 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:57:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:user-agent:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding:content-type; bh=IEz5nKv12/vJc3NseoFRlkU4HIt6GWhlthheC6anpBc=; b=Hxgc913qQWmqdFmjU6X+kBifVWKWtTa4x31JJoZoI16iQapv0k6j7VbRBGY+nLSlbx V03+/N7vqkXA7zjruWmGpiMxyMkI7Z5/mFC8tFgrLhQan0wwRguM0FeJSUrldi5yhsVa yFqTNN6RLvTDKXVhsr2VxHoIXA+zm8vy8CjYI= Received: by 10.216.135.136 with SMTP id u8mr3679325wei.26.1314125862297; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:57:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nazgul.localnet (196-210-153-55.dynamic.isadsl.co.za [196.210.153.55]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b14sm178748wed.28.2011.08.23.11.57.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:57:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alan McKinnon To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:57:32 +0200 Message-ID: <3706961.X6WvuNeq9m@nazgul> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.0 (Linux/3.0.3-gentoo; KDE/4.7.0; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <0D8B951A-06D1-43B8-BD6D-46E7CB059746@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> References: <4E4C2CC4.6080604@xunil.at> <2269917.TBy71Gn5NP@eve> <0D8B951A-06D1-43B8-BD6D-46E7CB059746@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 154cbac5f05128293d51608d7742177b On Tue 23 August 2011 18:17:17 Stroller did opine thusly: > On 23 August 2011, at 07:27, Joost Roeleveld wrote: > > ... > > > >> * found this blog-entry against systemd: > >> > >> http://monolight.cc/2011/05/the-systemd-fallacy/ > >> > >> I agree, it might be more useful on desktops ... so far I am > >> still exploring and learning to get to the point to make a > >> decision where and if to use. > > > > I think it is more useful on desktops and laptops, which get > > rebooted regularly. On a server that tends to run for months > > without a reboot, a fast init-system is important. > > > > And I don't really see the point of D-BUS on a server either. > > All the services that need to talk to each other already have > > working communication paths. > Reading that blog entry I found discouraging the idea that dbus > might be required on my servers in the future, if systemd becomes > popular with distros. What's your objection to dbus? It gives you a standard message bus, is small, light, consumes minimal resources and provides a nice standard way to do IPC. Probably easier than reinventing the wheel with named pipes and other bits over and over. Now if it had similarities to say hal, I would instantly understand. But dbus is good and useful in all the ways that hal isn't. -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com