From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1M9IWy-00081n-Kb for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:46:52 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD46FE060C; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB63E060C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 12:45:56 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.41,258,1241391600"; d="scan'208";a="97170430" Received: from unknown (HELO compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org) ([213.152.39.90]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 27 May 2009 13:45:55 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.71] (unknown [192.168.1.71]) by compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F674137C1C for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 13:45:52 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <35C59D62-40DF-4386-AE95-22FDE201EBC4@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> From: Stroller To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <200905271111.54345.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v935.3) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Another USE question Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 13:45:52 +0100 References: <4A1C72A5.1010905@konstantinhansen.de> <200905271015.07336.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> <200905271111.54345.volkerarmin@googlemail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.935.3) X-Archives-Salt: 026a6602-f09c-426c-a46e-c3a662a58987 X-Archives-Hash: 3f8db625abd4ae342aaaf7f855ea3adc On 27 May 2009, at 10:11, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> ... >> Nah, that just doesn't cut it. It's annoying as hell. It's far less >> annoying to simply "equery uses" on the USE flags you see during an >> "emerge -a" and edit make.conf by hand instead of doing the >> scroll-circus. You try to read text by constantly scrolling right >> and >> left. It doesn't work for me, and probably for the majority of >> others >> neither. > > oh yeah, scrolling for a tenth of a second is so much slower than > feeding > equery or euse and then open make.conf, type, check that you did not > forget > something .... When you called me a liar, the post you were replying to contained a bit of detail on this. Apparently you didn't bother to read all that, and just jumped to some kind of conclusions and treated me like an idiot. It's all about a matter of user interfaces and modes of thought. For some people, a curses interface just isn't going to be as smooth as some other. Personally, if I type `emerge -pv mplayer` and see 30 different USE flags listed, then it doesn't help me that they will be obscured if I run ufed (which takes over the whole terminal window, overwriting the output I was just looking at). No longer can I see what USE flags I'm supposed to be looking for, and it doesn't help that there are loads of USE flags in the tree that are unmemorable 4 letter acronyms. That's why `euses` or `equery uses` just really suit me well. I can don't have to open make.conf because I use flagedit, and I can bring these commands up really quickly by typing ctrl-r and three letters; when I retrieve a line from Bash history I tend to use the down-arrow immediately followed by the up-arrow to get the cursor to the end of the line; I can then use ctrl-w to delete the last word of the historical command, and then I just type the new package or USE that I want to query. For me this works very quickly. I guess it just suits my keyboard style. I don't want to have to bitched out because your favourite tool doesn't suit me. Stroller.