[gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Mick]

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Maybe I am getting lazy - but wouldn't mind all my ftp, webdav and ssh 
settings under the Network places to have been carried over into KDE4.  How 
do I go about copying them over?
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Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Wednesday 21 October 2009, Mick wrote:

> Maybe I am getting lazy - but wouldn't mind all my ftp, webdav and ssh
> settings under the Network places to have been carried over into KDE4.  How
> do I go about copying them over?

I did 

cp -a .kde3.5 .kde4

and all the settings (not just only konqueror's) were picked up.

Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Alex Schuster]

Etaoin Shrdlu writes:

> On Wednesday 21 October 2009, Mick wrote:
> > Maybe I am getting lazy - but wouldn't mind all my ftp, webdav and ssh
> > settings under the Network places to have been carried over into KDE4. 
> > How do I go about copying them over?
> 
> I did
> 
> cp -a .kde3.5 .kde4
> 
> and all the settings (not just only konqueror's) were picked up.

That did not work for me, all windows had no window title then. But it 
worked fine for partial applications when I copied just their data over. For 
konqueror, that would probably be share/config/konquerrorrc and 
share/apps/konqueror/.

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 22 October 2009 17:45:36 Alex Schuster wrote:
> Etaoin Shrdlu writes:
> > On Wednesday 21 October 2009, Mick wrote:
> > > Maybe I am getting lazy - but wouldn't mind all my ftp, webdav and ssh
> > > settings under the Network places to have been carried over into KDE4.
> > > How do I go about copying them over?
> >
> > I did
> >
> > cp -a .kde3.5 .kde4
> >
> > and all the settings (not just only konqueror's) were picked up.
> 
> That did not work for me, all windows had no window title then. But it
> worked fine for partial applications when I copied just their data over.
>  For konqueror, that would probably be share/config/konquerrorrc and
> share/apps/konqueror/.


I also found odd inconsistencies copying .kde3.5 to .kde4

Kopete has twice reordered my contacts
akonadi integration with kmail was flakey
system tray icons come and go as they please
and various other oddities that don't happen with new users

It would seem that a largely vanilla 3.5 config migrates to 4 with low risk. 
As the old config is more and more modified, the odds of 100% success reduce.

As always, YMMV


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Mick]

2009/10/22 Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>:
> On Thursday 22 October 2009 17:45:36 Alex Schuster wrote:
>> Etaoin Shrdlu writes:
>> > On Wednesday 21 October 2009, Mick wrote:
>> > > Maybe I am getting lazy - but wouldn't mind all my ftp, webdav and ssh
>> > > settings under the Network places to have been carried over into KDE4.
>> > > How do I go about copying them over?
>> >
>> > I did
>> >
>> > cp -a .kde3.5 .kde4
>> >
>> > and all the settings (not just only konqueror's) were picked up.
>>
>> That did not work for me, all windows had no window title then. But it
>> worked fine for partial applications when I copied just their data over.
>>  For konqueror, that would probably be share/config/konquerrorrc and
>> share/apps/konqueror/.
>
>
> I also found odd inconsistencies copying .kde3.5 to .kde4
>
> Kopete has twice reordered my contacts
> akonadi integration with kmail was flakey
> system tray icons come and go as they please
> and various other oddities that don't happen with new users
>
> It would seem that a largely vanilla 3.5 config migrates to 4 with low risk.
> As the old config is more and more modified, the odds of 100% success reduce.

I copied selected files like emailidentities, parts of kmailrc, etc.
and they seem to work fine.  Only two rather annoying problems:

I can't find the POP Filters to copy them over and so far all my
messages arrive in the main inbox.

I can't find the config file which contains the Outgoing mail account
settings (I have a number of outgoing accounts and would rather not
have to set them up manually again).

Any ideas where these are hiding?
-- 
Regards,
Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Alan McKinnon]

On Thursday 22 October 2009 23:27:08 Mick wrote:

> I copied selected files like emailidentities, parts of kmailrc, etc.
> and they seem to work fine.  Only two rather annoying problems:
> 
> I can't find the POP Filters to copy them over and so far all my
> messages arrive in the main inbox.


> 
> I can't find the config file which contains the Outgoing mail account
> settings (I have a number of outgoing accounts and would rather not
> have to set them up manually again).

in kde4:

filters:
~/.kde4/share/config/kmailrc
smtp accounts:
~/.kde4/share/config/mailtransports

I presume the locations are similar in kde-3.5
p.s. I used grep -ir to find those 


-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Mick]

2009/10/22 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:
> 2009/10/22 Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>:
>> On Thursday 22 October 2009 23:27:08 Mick wrote:
>>
>>> I copied selected files like emailidentities, parts of kmailrc, etc.
>>> and they seem to work fine.  Only two rather annoying problems:
>>>
>>> I can't find the POP Filters to copy them over and so far all my
>>> messages arrive in the main inbox.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I can't find the config file which contains the Outgoing mail account
>>> settings (I have a number of outgoing accounts and would rather not
>>> have to set them up manually again).
>>
>> in kde4:
>>
>> filters:
>> ~/.kde4/share/config/kmailrc
>
> Yes, I have copied all my filters from 3.5 kmailrc, but somehow the
> POP filters don't seem to show up.  My spam filters are all
> recognised.

Scratch that - no filters are recognised.

>> smtp accounts:
>> ~/.kde4/share/config/mailtransports
>>
>> I presume the locations are similar in kde-3.5
>> p.s. I used grep -ir to find those
>
> I'm afraid there are no mailtransports in 3.5, but found these in 3.5's kmailrc:
>
> [Transport 1]
> auth=true
> authtype=CRAM-MD5
> encryption=TLS
> host= ....
>
> I assume that in KDE4 these are saved under mailtransports so I copied
> them over and I can now send messages again.  Thanks!  :-)
>
> Meanwhile, this is what I am getting from Akonadi:
> ====================================
> Test 7:  ERROR
> --------
>
> Akonadi server process not registered at D-Bus.
> Details: The Akonadi server process is not registered at D-Bus which
> typically means it was not started or encountered a fatal error during
> startup.
> ====================================
>
>
> Further down it says:
> ====================================
> File content of '/home/michael/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error':
> Database driver "QMYSQL" was not found.
> Available drivers are: ("QSQLITE")
> Falling back to database driver "QMYSQL"
> Database driver "QMYSQL" was not found.
> Available drivers are: ("QSQLITE")
> No usable database driver found.
> ====================================
>
> Needless to say I can't access my address book, it's empty.  :-(
>
> What's the recommended fix - I would think that having to run MySQL is
> an overkill on my asthmatic PIII laptop.

-- 
Regards,
Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Mick]

2009/10/23 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:
> 2009/10/22 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:

>> Yes, I have copied all my filters from 3.5 kmailrc, but somehow the
>> POP filters don't seem to show up.  My spam filters are all
>> recognised.
>
> Scratch that - no filters are recognised.

As a matter of fact they are not recognised because restarting kmail
results in all the filters which were manually pasted in KDE4 kmailrc
being deleted ... o_O


>> Meanwhile, this is what I am getting from Akonadi:
>> ====================================
>> Test 7:  ERROR
>> --------
>>
>> Akonadi server process not registered at D-Bus.
>> Details: The Akonadi server process is not registered at D-Bus which
>> typically means it was not started or encountered a fatal error during
>> startup.
>> ====================================
>>
>>
>> Further down it says:
>> ====================================
>> File content of '/home/michael/.local/share/akonadi/akonadiserver.error':
>> Database driver "QMYSQL" was not found.
>> Available drivers are: ("QSQLITE")
>> Falling back to database driver "QMYSQL"
>> Database driver "QMYSQL" was not found.
>> Available drivers are: ("QSQLITE")
>> No usable database driver found.
>> ====================================
>>
>> Needless to say I can't access my address book, it's empty.  :-(
>>
>> What's the recommended fix - I would think that having to run MySQL is
>> an overkill on my asthmatic PIII laptop.

Reading this useful page:

http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi

the problem may be with me selecting Redland instead of Sesame2
because I do not have/use Java.  Hmm ... wonder if this is also why
kdewallet (or modern equivalent) is no longer there?
-- 
Regards,
Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Alex Schuster]

Mick writes:

> Hmm ... wonder if this is also why
> kdewallet (or modern equivalent) is no longer there?

The KDE4 still has the kdewallet which I find quite useful. As I started my 
KDE4 setup from scratch, I saved the wallet with KDE3.5 and imported that in 
KDE4.

	Wonko

Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

On Thursday 22 October 2009, Alex Schuster wrote:

> > I did
> >
> > cp -a .kde3.5 .kde4
> >
> > and all the settings (not just only konqueror's) were picked up.
>
> That did not work for me, all windows had no window title then. But it
> worked fine for partial applications when I copied just their data over.
> For konqueror, that would probably be share/config/konquerrorrc and
> share/apps/konqueror/.

Yeah, I've seen mixed outcomes when doing that. I was probably lucky.

What I really did was:

1) save the "vanilla" .kde directory that was created when kde4 first started 
up, to have a safe rollback in case something goes wrong

2) cp -a the .kde3.5 dir to .kde4, as said

3) check that things were mostly correct, and if not rollback to the saved 
.kde dir I created in step 1

Turned out everything worked fine (or at least everything I've seen so far), 
so I didn't need to rollback, but probably, as they say, YMMV.

Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Mick]

This is getting rather long, but for those who are trying to find the
same solutions please read on.

2009/10/23 Mick <michaelkintzios@gmail.com>:
> 2009/10/23 Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>:
>> On Friday 23 October 2009 11:03:27 you wrote:
>>> 2009/10/23 Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@gmail.com>:
>>> > akonadi is in a transition stage right now. Eventually it will deal with
>>> > all your pim backends natively but for the moment it simply acts as a
>>> > proxy between kmail and the backend using pimlibs just the way kmail used
>>> > to do.
>>> >
>>> > Check the akonadi config and tell it to use the existing addressbook file
>>> > instead of whatever database-related settings it currently has.
>>>
>>> Thanks Alan,
>>>
>>> I don't seem to have an akonadi config file that I can find anywhere
>>> under .kde4/  What is it called?
>>
>> I have no idea :-)
>>
>> I used the akonaditray gui and navigated to the traditional KDE flat files
>> (the ones listed as kresources)
>
> This is a problem for me - I am using Fluxbox and there is no
> akonaditray gui shown ... may have to run startkde.

Started kde4 from a terminal and went to System Settings and added
/usr/bin/sqlite3 as the Akonadi command, but nothing much changed.
So, for now I am giving up on Akonadi.

>>> Also, I can't find my existing addressbook file ...
>>
>> That one gets confusing, you'll likely find files with names like
>> "kaddressbook" and "kabc". I run "grep -ir" to look for an unusual name in the
>> addressbook to find the files (just don't include your maildirs in the search
>> directory ;-)  )
>
> Yes, I have found these two but they only have a couple of settings in
> them, not the addressbook contents.

I tried to import old KDE2 address book settings from within the KDE4
address book and it failed - couldn't find it in KDE3.5.  However, I
then opened my eyes properly, searched better and found
.kde3.5/share/apps/kabc/ which contains, as Alan kindly suggested, my
address book data.  Copied it over, deleted the old
.kde3.5/share/apps/kabc/lock directory and now the KDE4 kmail lists
all my address book entries!  Yes!  :-)

Also, I found a solution to the kmail filters - I opened the filters
tab in kmail4 and used the import button, pointed it to the 3.5
kmailrc and it imported them all fine.  Very pleased.  :-)

> Another question please:  The 3.5 Konqueror Introduction page used to
> have a hyperlink for opening media.  In there I would find USB sticks
> that I could mount via hald.  With KDE4 there is no Media:/ shown -
> how can I add it?

Haven't cracked this one yet.  Running media:/ gives me an error:
"Protocol not supported".  Dolphin shows USB devices on the left hand
menu/panel, but Konqueror wont.  Any ideas welcome.  :-)
-- 
Regards,
Mick

Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Mick]

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On Friday 23 October 2009 10:05:33 Alex Schuster wrote:
> Mick writes:
> > Hmm ... wonder if this is also why
> > kdewallet (or modern equivalent) is no longer there?
> 
> The KDE4 still has the kdewallet which I find quite useful. As I started my
> KDE4 setup from scratch, I saved the wallet with KDE3.5 and imported that
>  in KDE4.

It seems that the kwallet does not perform as expected:

With 3.5 I would fire up kmail (remember I am running xdm/fluxbox not 
kdm/kwin) and when I clicked on 'Check Mail' it caused kwallet to launch and 
ask me once for the master passwd.

With kmail4 this does not happen.  The kmail application asks for passwords 
separately for each account of mine without kwallet being launch at all ... 
until I click to send a message!  Then it launches fine and asks for the 
master password.

I can't call this a bug - but I find it problematic to have to enter 3-4 
account passwds instead of just one.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Mick]

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On Friday 23 October 2009 19:30:46 Mick wrote:
> On Friday 23 October 2009 10:05:33 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > Mick writes:
> > > Hmm ... wonder if this is also why
> > > kdewallet (or modern equivalent) is no longer there?
> >
> > The KDE4 still has the kdewallet which I find quite useful. As I started
> > my KDE4 setup from scratch, I saved the wallet with KDE3.5 and imported
> > that in KDE4.
> 
> It seems that the kwallet does not perform as expected:

I got it wrong, again!  All that I needed to do is click "Remember passwords" 
for each account.  Now kwallet is launched exactly as in KDE3.5 ... and deals 
with the mail login.

Apologies for all the noise - other than Akonadi which it seems is a bit ropey 
without Java, kmail4 is very much the same with 3.5 give or take a few 
cosmetic things.  All in all, a happy camper now.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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Re: [gentoo-user] Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Alan McKinnon]

On Friday 23 October 2009 20:30:46 Mick wrote:
> On Friday 23 October 2009 10:05:33 Alex Schuster wrote:
> > Mick writes:
> > > Hmm ... wonder if this is also why
> > > kdewallet (or modern equivalent) is no longer there?
> >
> > The KDE4 still has the kdewallet which I find quite useful. As I started
> > my KDE4 setup from scratch, I saved the wallet with KDE3.5 and imported
> > that in KDE4.
> 
> It seems that the kwallet does not perform as expected:
> 
> With 3.5 I would fire up kmail (remember I am running xdm/fluxbox not
> kdm/kwin) and when I clicked on 'Check Mail' it caused kwallet to launch
>  and ask me once for the master passwd.
> 
> With kmail4 this does not happen.  The kmail application asks for passwords
> separately for each account of mine without kwallet being launch at all ...
> until I click to send a message!  Then it launches fine and asks for the
> master password.
> 
> I can't call this a bug - but I find it problematic to have to enter 3-4
> account passwds instead of just one.

SOunds like you did not select the "store password" check box in the kmail 
account config dialog.

Without a wallet acive, it will try to read passwords from kmailrc (IIRC)

-- 
alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com

[gentoo-user] Re: Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Thorsten Kampe]

* Etaoin Shrdlu (Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:35:48 +0100)
> 
> On Thursday 22 October 2009, Alex Schuster wrote:
> 
> > > I did
> > >
> > > cp -a .kde3.5 .kde4
> > >
> > > and all the settings (not just only konqueror's) were picked up.
> >
> > That did not work for me, all windows had no window title then. But it
> > worked fine for partial applications when I copied just their data over.
> > For konqueror, that would probably be share/config/konquerrorrc and
> > share/apps/konqueror/.
> 
> Yeah, I've seen mixed outcomes when doing that. I was probably lucky.
> 
> What I really did was:
> 
> 1) save the "vanilla" .kde directory that was created when kde4 first started 
> up, to have a safe rollback in case something goes wrong
> 
> 2) cp -a the .kde3.5 dir to .kde4, as said
> 
> 3) check that things were mostly correct, and if not rollback to the saved 
> .kde dir I created in step 1

~/.kde is a symlink to ~/.kde3.5. So there is nothing to backup or 
restore.

Thorsten

Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Copying settings from Konqueror-3.5 to 4.3

[Mick]

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On Saturday 24 October 2009 17:45:53 Thorsten Kampe wrote:
> * Etaoin Shrdlu (Fri, 23 Oct 2009 10:35:48 +0100)
> 
> > On Thursday 22 October 2009, Alex Schuster wrote:
> > > > I did
> > > >
> > > > cp -a .kde3.5 .kde4
> > > >
> > > > and all the settings (not just only konqueror's) were picked up.
> > >
> > > That did not work for me, all windows had no window title then. But it
> > > worked fine for partial applications when I copied just their data
> > > over. For konqueror, that would probably be share/config/konquerrorrc
> > > and share/apps/konqueror/.
> >
> > Yeah, I've seen mixed outcomes when doing that. I was probably lucky.
> >
> > What I really did was:
> >
> > 1) save the "vanilla" .kde directory that was created when kde4 first
> > started up, to have a safe rollback in case something goes wrong
> >
> > 2) cp -a the .kde3.5 dir to .kde4, as said
> >
> > 3) check that things were mostly correct, and if not rollback to the
> > saved .kde dir I created in step 1
> 
> ~/.kde is a symlink to ~/.kde3.5. So there is nothing to backup or
> restore.

Hmm ... strange.  I have the same symlink on a non-kdm desktop, but launching 
any KDE application or launching startkde from a terminal brings up KDE4 
applications and desktop.
-- 
Regards,
Mick

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