From: Joost Roeleveld <joost@antarean.org>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot
Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2011 11:07:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3531549.SdbnOTI6fV@eve> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20110912094922.7b4e3b5b@zaphod.digimed.co.uk>
On Monday, September 12, 2011 09:49:22 AM Neil Bothwick wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 09:45:44 +0200, Joost Roeleveld wrote:
> > As long as filesystem-support for /usr is in the kernel, why can't
> > "/usr" be mounted right after "/"?
> >
> > Eg. instead of worrying with an init*, why not edit the boot-scripts to
> > have "/usr" mounted before udev and colleagues start?
>
> Because it is udev that creates the device entries needed to mount /usr -
> and that doesn't even touch other cases, like /usr being on a software
> block device, like LVM or dmcrypt.
Thanks Alex and Neil.
I didn't think it through properly. Which is why I posted it here, rather then
try to see how to get the scripts updated for it.
> The problem here is that udev is trying to do too much. On the one hand
> it handles the initial population of /dev/ and all that is needed to
> mount the contents of fstab. On the other hand, it is trying to be an
> all-encompassing device and hotplug manager. the latter function should
> be started relatively late in the boot sequence, the former as soon as
> possible.
>
> I'd like to know why these functions cannot be separated, run the command
> to populate /dev early on, then start the udev daemon after the
> filesystems have been mounted.
>
> Some sort of early boot rules file would need to be used to handle things
> like setting up symlinks for block devices to avoid breaking some users'
> fstabs.
Yes, which means "udev" would need to be split into:
* devd (which controls the /dev-tree)
* plugd (which handles all the "hotplug-events" where special things happen)
The communication between the 2 could be done using a simple /dev/udev_pipe
device. "devd" throws events onto the pipe and plugd handles these events.
That would also make things easier to configure as the renaming and such is
for "devd". But the commands to be executed can then be based on the actual
name in /dev. Rather then on the kernel-name/id/..../whatever.
Any thoughts on this?
--
Joost
PS. I'm throwing ideas here, hopefully we can come to a sane and logical
option here
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2011-08-18 18:59 [gentoo-user] /dev/sda* missing at boot frares
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2011-08-19 12:42 ` [gentoo-user] " Nikos Chantziaras
2011-08-19 19:38 ` Francesco Talamona
2011-08-18 19:13 ` [gentoo-user] " Michael Mol
2011-08-19 5:33 ` Graham Murray
2011-08-19 1:44 ` Matthew Finkel
2011-08-19 2:27 ` Mark Knecht
2011-08-19 10:09 ` Mick
2011-08-19 13:12 ` frares
2011-08-19 13:41 ` Gregory Woodbury
2011-08-19 22:08 ` Dale
2011-08-20 7:04 ` Mick
2011-08-20 7:17 ` Dale
2011-08-20 8:29 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-20 8:48 ` Dale
2011-08-20 8:57 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-20 12:55 ` Mick
2011-09-06 23:06 ` Dale
2011-09-07 5:09 ` William Hubbs
2011-09-07 5:24 ` Dale
2011-09-07 17:23 ` Dan Johansson
2011-09-07 17:52 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 18:09 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-07 18:28 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 19:07 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-07 19:10 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 19:19 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-07 19:24 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-07 19:27 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 22:54 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-07 23:04 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-07 23:39 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 3:23 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 10:11 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 15:32 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:24 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:37 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 21:03 ` Dale
2011-09-08 22:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 2:55 ` Dale
2011-09-09 15:29 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 9:10 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-08 17:30 ` pk
2011-09-08 18:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 5:04 ` pk
2011-09-07 23:55 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-08 3:30 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 3:39 ` Dale
2011-09-08 14:51 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 15:15 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 15:40 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 15:58 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-08 16:11 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 16:45 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 17:11 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 17:22 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:05 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:23 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:43 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 20:48 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 21:04 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 21:11 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 22:36 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 23:23 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 23:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 11:35 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 21:29 ` Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-08 21:44 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 22:06 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-09 8:06 ` [gentoo-user] " Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-09-09 10:03 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-12 8:40 ` Nicolas Sebrecht
2011-09-12 9:18 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-12 16:50 ` Dale
2011-09-08 22:31 ` [gentoo-user] " Alan Mackenzie
2011-09-08 23:05 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 21:04 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:40 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 20:56 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 21:06 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 21:38 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 22:28 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 23:01 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 17:35 ` pk
2011-09-08 17:47 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 18:11 ` pk
2011-09-08 19:01 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 19:40 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-09 9:39 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-08 18:41 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 5:18 ` pk
2011-09-08 7:59 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-08 15:08 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 7:37 ` [gentoo-user] " Alberto Luaces
2011-09-08 8:17 ` Alberto Luaces
2011-09-08 1:37 ` [gentoo-user] " David W Noon
2011-09-08 2:49 ` Dale
2011-09-08 3:33 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 8:09 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 15:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 16:06 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 16:34 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 17:01 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-08 17:18 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 17:45 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 19:00 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 19:37 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-08 20:03 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:57 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-09 8:11 ` Paul Colquhoun
2011-09-09 8:53 ` Dale
2011-09-09 9:15 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 1:25 ` Dale
2011-09-10 1:32 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 1:58 ` Dale
2011-09-10 7:30 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 7:54 ` Dale
2011-09-10 10:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 14:59 ` Dale
2011-09-10 15:52 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-10 16:34 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 21:15 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 21:28 ` Dale
2011-09-10 22:35 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-11 9:37 ` Peter Humphrey
2011-09-12 8:41 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 8:40 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 8:37 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 8:55 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-12 8:35 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-10 17:33 ` William Kenworthy
2011-09-10 18:12 ` William Kenworthy
2011-09-10 18:21 ` Dale
2011-09-12 7:12 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 12:14 ` Mike Edenfield
2011-09-12 12:28 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 14:47 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-12 15:29 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-12 15:44 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 16:56 ` Dale
2011-09-10 7:16 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 7:56 ` Dale
2011-09-12 7:17 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 7:49 ` Dale
2011-09-09 11:35 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 12:46 ` Mick
2011-09-09 16:44 ` pk
2011-09-09 17:04 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 17:09 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 1:10 ` Dale
2011-09-10 1:01 ` Dale
2011-09-10 10:56 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 15:52 ` Dale
2011-09-10 22:02 ` Keith Dart
2011-09-10 22:51 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 23:40 ` Keith Dart
2011-09-11 11:59 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 17:24 ` pk
2011-09-09 17:53 ` Michael Schreckenbauer
2011-09-10 1:15 ` Dale
2011-09-10 1:23 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 1:49 ` Dale
2011-09-10 7:17 ` pk
2011-09-10 7:36 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-10 10:24 ` Mick
2011-09-10 16:09 ` Dale
2011-09-10 16:19 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 16:36 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-10 16:50 ` Michael Mol
2011-09-10 16:47 ` Dale
2011-09-10 21:28 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-11 8:22 ` Mike Edenfield
2011-09-11 8:54 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-09-11 9:51 ` pk
2011-09-10 10:43 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-11 3:16 ` Paul Colquhoun
2011-09-11 7:29 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-11 12:26 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-11 18:56 ` Dale
2011-09-11 19:37 ` Mick
2011-09-11 21:07 ` Dale
2011-09-11 21:46 ` David W Noon
2011-09-11 22:08 ` Dale
2011-09-12 1:44 ` James Wall
2011-09-12 8:12 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 19:07 ` David W Noon
2011-09-12 7:45 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 8:32 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-12 8:49 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 9:07 ` Joost Roeleveld [this message]
2011-09-12 9:13 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-12 9:34 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-09-12 10:57 ` Neil Bothwick
2011-09-14 5:01 ` Walter Dnes
2011-09-08 19:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:21 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:38 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 20:46 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 21:25 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 16:44 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 16:56 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 18:05 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 19:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 20:25 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 20:42 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 22:33 ` Mick
2011-09-08 22:39 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-08 23:00 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 23:26 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-09-09 6:22 ` Mick
2011-09-09 7:35 ` Dale
2011-09-08 22:51 ` David W Noon
2011-09-08 20:45 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-09-08 23:32 ` David W Noon
2011-09-09 11:41 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-09 12:44 ` Dale
2011-09-09 14:02 ` Alex Schuster
2011-09-10 1:20 ` Dale
2011-09-09 18:16 ` David W Noon
2011-09-09 19:57 ` Alex Schuster
2011-08-20 12:53 ` Gregory Woodbury
2011-08-20 12:59 ` David W Noon
2011-08-20 13:29 ` Mick
2011-08-20 13:58 ` Pandu Poluan
2011-08-20 15:32 ` David W Noon
2011-08-20 14:22 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-19 13:48 ` Alan McKinnon
2011-08-19 15:06 ` frares
2011-08-19 15:20 ` Alan McKinnon
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2011-08-18 19:17 frares
2011-08-18 19:26 ` frares
2011-08-18 19:42 ` Michael Mol
2011-08-18 23:29 ` Peter Humphrey
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