Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Gentoo's advantage: 'optimized for your system' -- huh?

["Jesús Guerrero" <i92guboj@terra.es>]

El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 18:48, Nikos Chantziaras escribió:
> Jesús Guerrero wrote:
>
>> El Mie, 4 de Febrero de 2009, 14:19, Nikos Chantziaras escribió:
>>
>>> Sebastián Magrí wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Also, Gentoo is a great school. If you want to learn how a Linux
>>>> system works, and really want to learn about Unix systems, then
>>>> Gentoo is the
>>>> best for you.
>>> I don't get that argument.  I didn't learn how Linux or Unix works
>>> with Gentoo.  I didn't even find my prior knowledge of Unix and Linux
>>> of much use either.  Typing "emerge package" and "dispatch-conf"
>>> doesn't offer me much knowledge.  It's as simple as Debian in this
>>> regard.
>>>
>>> If I wanted a "learn Unix" distro, I would be using Slackware :P
>>>
>>
>> Gentoo forces you to use linux in the sense that you need to
>> do all the work by yourself to install it. What you describe is just the
>> regular update/install process, which is simple enough as you said.
>
> It was very easy for me.  The first I came in tough with Gentoo was with
> the 2007 DVD.  I booted, double clicked the installer icon, clicked "next"
> a few times with checking some tickboxes too, and then emerged -e system
> and world and the packages I need.
>
> After that I was asking myself where the difficulty lies many people
> refer to when it comes to installing Gentoo.
>
> Seriously, I didn't learn anything.  Maybe CLFAGS and USE flags.

You used the installer. Which should never be used because
it's buggy and crappy, it has caused lots of problems, and
for me it spoils the whole gentoo thing because lots of
newcomers that use it have nothing but problems. In addition,
they don't learn the basic linux stuff we were talking about,
and hence, they have problems administering their machines,
dealing with packages, mixing software branches, creating
overlays, configuring their systems and many more. Problems
whose solution they wouldn't need to ask (spamming the lists
and forums in the way) if they had used the handbook in first
place.

In my opinion that buggy livecd was in all sense a bad thing
and should have never existed.

Gentoo is installed by hand usually, following the handbook,
and not clicking next. Once you read the whole handbook you
can have an opinion if a new user would learn a thing or two
by using it or not.

A wouldn't have expected that a brave slacker would choose the
graphical installer ;)

-- 
Jesús Guerrero