From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1QSh3j-0004s0-QE for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 04 Jun 2011 02:57:55 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 278D31C025; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 02:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpout.karoo.kcom.com (smtpout.karoo.kcom.com [212.50.160.34]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883421C025 for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 02:56:19 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,318,1304290800"; d="scan'208";a="774892785" Received: from 213-152-39-90.dsl.eclipse.net.uk (HELO compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org) ([213.152.39.90]) by smtpout.karoo.kcom.com with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2011 03:56:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.102] (unknown [192.168.1.102]) by compaq.stroller.uk.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16919A9A7B for ; Sat, 4 Jun 2011 03:53:32 +0100 (BST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1227) Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How do I eject an audio CD inside Gnome? From: Stroller In-Reply-To: <2881712.daV6l8fDlv@localhost> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 03:56:13 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <344C41C7-C794-476D-8275-86522D7EE2E3@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> References: <20110529204905.GA5736@acm.acm> <20110530101021.GA3749@acm.acm> <4DE1A80B-F40B-427A-8093-2712C703CEF4@stellar.eclipse.co.uk> <2881712.daV6l8fDlv@localhost> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1227) X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 58020f67f8a95a2d33b5649189239057 On 3 June 2011, at 02:32, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: >> ... >> Your Linux box isn't working, and you're complaining about Macs? >>=20 >> That seems a little inappropriate. >>=20 >> Let me assure you: when a Mac has a hardware button, it will work = just fine. >> It won't be disabled for no reason. >>=20 >> This is why I use Mac for the desktop. Because when I get home after = a hard >> day's work fixing computers I don't want to have to do a "bat shit = crazy >> amount of work to keep things working" [1 >=20 > so why do you own a mac? >=20 > Just days ago I beachballed a mac adding some pictures to a word = document.=20 > Yeah, that is the legendary MacOS stability. >=20 > Next time I sat on a mac there were 37gb of stuff in trash. The poor = owner=20 > tried to delete them. MacOS showed the apropriate reaction, no error = anyway -=20 > and no file was deleted. >=20 > Had to go down to the shell - and even after that some crap was still = left.=20 > Undeletable and with no error messages or informations why. Part of my post that you chose not to quote was "I'd be the first to = admit that Macs have flaws." All desktops / UIs / operating-systems are a compromise. I don't believe = any of them are perfect. Last time I used Linux on the desktop (in ernest) I had some dreadful = problems with KDE crashing or failing to open under certain = circumstances, which I found frustrating and impossible to overcome. = That was several years ago, and no-one on the mailing list or Usenet = group I tried was able to help; I don't think I knew at the time to try = the KDE mailing list.=20 Currently the biggest thing holding me back from giving Linux another = good chance to prove itself to me is basically that Mac OS X is "good = enough" for me. It's exceedingly easy to try the new version - I'm = booted off an external USB drive as I write this, and I can copy across = my ~ directory from my old system just the way you would with Linux. = That's something you can't do with Windows, for example. If I wanted to try Linux, it would take me at least a week to give it a = fair chance, to install it, to configure my desktop, to find equivalent = applications and configure those, too. And if I didn't like then I'd = have that hassle of moving back to Mac OS and having all my files (ODF = document files and even just such trivial things as chatlogs) in = different formats and so on. That's 7 - 10 days of my life that I have no interest in spending. = What's the benefit for me? One concern about using Linux on the desktop is that I don't think the = apps will be as good or as polished as the ones I use currently. Another = is that (I believe) gestures are not supported in present window = managers - presently I can pinch outwards with two fingers to zoom in on = an image, or I can swipe with 4 fingers to show an overview of my = virtual desktops and open windows. Spreading all 5 fingers shows me the = desktop. So I don't like mice, and I was getting pissed off with = cleaning my trackball on a daily basis (the ball kinda gets all clogged = and slow) =85 it's hard to find a device with as many buttons as I can = make trackpad gestures. You complain of beachballing OS X, using Word. But Word is a Microsoft = application. ;) Nevertheless, there are some things I agree are absolutely shit about OS = X. Some of these are that way because Steve Jobs wanted them that way, = and his "good taste" is not universal; some are purely technical. It's = possible to make OS X swap horribly - that might well be what happened = when you dragged the image into Word, but you don't tell us how much RAM = that machine had. You don't tell us whether you checked swap consumption = in `top` or Activity Monitor. Safari's memory usage seems pretty bad, and I have been easily able to = consistently reproduce on occasions a beachball for several minutes as = pages are exchanged between RAM and disk; there's a well-known printing = bug that causes this, and some particular websites. Almost always it'll = sort itself out if it's left alone to settle down. My next machine will = have 8gb of RAM, and I'm pretty confident I won't see this problem; I = typically have 40 - 60 browser tabs open in perhaps 8 different windows. OS X's HFS gets insanely fragmented in a way that many self-identified = "Mac experts" will deny. They clearly haven't tested their assertions = using Amit Singh's hfsdebug (or fileXray) tool. Nevertheless, these are very much manageable problems, they're known and = they're clearly defined.=20 If you've got some stuff in Trash that is not deletable, I would guess = that you've got a corrupt file system. That can happen on any o/s. This = feels like like old joke about "I can always get technical support by = joining IRC and saying that 'Linux is crap because it doesn't do X'. = Then half the channel will spend ages telling me how to do X in Linux". = Format an external USB hard-drive as bootable (I believe you use "GUID = Partition Scheme" for Intel Macs and HFS+ Journalled; there is no magic = bootable tick-box to check, and no bootloader to install) then boot to = an OS X installation CD and open a Terminal instead of the installer = (from the Tools menu, usually). Copy the entire contents of the old = drive to the new using `ditto` (using all "--archive = --preserve-rescource-forks" type options, just to be safe). If you hold = the ALT (or "Option") key when the computer restarts you should be able = to boot from the external drive, otherwise boot to the old drive and = choose the new one in System Preferences (under Startup disk). If the = undeletable files are missing from the Trash in the new system, or you = can now delete them (I assume you already checked their Unix file = permissions) then the problem was probably filesystem corruption. You = should be able to remove the drive from the external caddy, put it = inside the Mac and use it instead of the old one (which may just have a = corrupt file system but which is probably suffering from bad sectors / = hardware failure). Stroller.