From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from <gentoo-user+bounces-56742-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@gentoo.org>) id 1GwO6e-0002H6-OO for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:25:01 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id kBIJMl3A000077; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:22:47 GMT Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.189]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id kBIJIdM5030755 for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:18:39 GMT Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so3102319nfb for <gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org>; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:18:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AjJxG9X1ToTT4PAJIREA9njIh6tFx6pWkYgfl4ZKqltz/TKYA9U06L+7XDacBhNXiZV4Q1mZPCP0FA7KVm8TPsFQs7xq2eGMvIJ0NeW586RfKqYWpn2zDF/0rCeAZ01REcV5n0dnYf41U1qBD0yYjr0RzmmolIIC4eeD1h7p0oY= Received: by 10.49.64.18 with SMTP id r18mr1927061nfk.1166469519118; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.49.23.15 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Dec 2006 11:18:38 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <342e1090612181118s1d832443vac532f866719c3fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:18:38 -0200 From: "Daniel da Veiga" <danieldaveiga@gmail.com> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo healthy? In-Reply-To: <49bf44f10612181054s6e4f621dy17708692a71a25dd@mail.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-user+help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-user+subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-user.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-user@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49bf44f10612180647g6ac243ebm9cfa8b79a5aeb3b5@mail.gmail.com> <200612181827.20843.volker.armin.hemmann@tu-clausthal.de> <49bf44f10612181054s6e4f621dy17708692a71a25dd@mail.gmail.com> X-Archives-Salt: 4845054c-8c8a-4d3e-b911-8449ecc26335 X-Archives-Hash: 2a75336f96dca31d0bde1f5720aec601 On 12/18/06, Grant <emailgrant@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I've caught a whiff or two lately that Gentoo is declining in > > > popularity amongst users and developers. Is it all in my head? I > > > personally still love Gentoo. > > > > there are always several phases in the life of a distri. > > > > Beginning, when it becomes 'cool' and a sudden surge in users, some time of > > high popularity, a decline, and at the end, only the users who are > > really 'the right ones' for that kind of distri are left. > > > > So the 'always using the cool thing' users are gone and the 'we are using what > > the cool guys were using' crowd is leaving now. So what? Are they important? > > No. At some point ubuntu will suffer the same. And then the next cool distro > > de jour. > > > > Some decline in user interest is normal - and a healthy process. Because it > > removes the 'I use it because it is cool' and 'I use it because everybody > > else uses it' type of users. > > I'm thinking this over a bit more, and it seems like the best thing > for Gentoo (or any distro) is a lot of users. More users must mean > more active developers, and more active developers must mean an > increased rate of growth for the software. Well, I must say not all users really add to the distro in any way... > > I believe the great benefit of Gentoo is its flexibility, and > flexibility is like a meta-benefit because it makes possible any other > benefit. What do you think makes Ubuntu the distro of the moment? Is > it ease-of-use? If Gentoo focused more on ease-of-use aspects of the > Ubuntu variety, they would attract more users and thereby increase the > rate of growth for the software. Ubuntu is popular because there were thousands of articles over the net and magazines making it sound like the "Linux that anyone can use". It is true for MOST hardware/software combination, but once it fails (and it will, eventually, every OS does), an unprepared user would be just lost. A great number of users grant your distro fame and sponsors, but most of this users add nothing to the distro. Most don't even participate in discussions like this one, that's focused on making the distro better. C'mon, how many developers really watch their users mailing lists and answer like Gentoo devs do? I don't think easy-to-use makes a distro better. What makes it better is a good documentation (and Gentoo has the best) and users willing to go read a little before crying out that it doesn't work, adding stuff to the wikis and forums and helping each other. In my sincere opinion, Gentoo may have less users than other distros, but we have the best users around ;-) > > Popular migration from one distro to the next sends a very important > signal to any distro that wants to grow. > Well, IMHO it doesn't. -- Daniel da Veiga Computer Operator - RS - Brazil -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCM/IT/P/O d-? s:- a? 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