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From: Michael <confabulate@kintzios.com>
To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Problem with detecting ZFS HDD
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2025 11:24:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3335789.aeNJFYEL58@rogueboard> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+t6X7ddVLG56RW6Jo_=3eoGUVp0TNRxBnR+Fz_rZae3zhikcg@mail.gmail.com>

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On Thursday 30 January 2025 16:55:00 Greenwich Mean Time gevisz wrote:
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> After setting up one of them as a ZFS mirror, I immediately
> got the problem that if I boot my system with additional HDD
> connected to my computer, one of these ZFS mirror disks
> is not detected and the corresponding zpool appears to be degraded.
> 
> I have realized that it was my fault to use /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc
> notations when setting up the ZFS mirror because with more disks
> at the boot time these notations may change.
> 
> I should have used /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD5000* notations instead!

With ZFS you should probably have used the unique device ID obtained by 
running:

lsblk -o name,wwn

My ZFS experience is cursory to know it if makes a material difference, but 
according to the Gentoo wiki page this is what OpenZFS prefers:

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/ZFS#Preparing_disk


> Unfortunately, I have not found the way to change these notations
> other than deleting the whole zpool and re-creating it anew with
> the notations /dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD5000*, which took quite
> a lot of time.
> 
> Presumably, the problem with detecting my ZFS mirror HDDs
> should have disappeared after that because now the disks were
> referred to by their ids but unfortunately it was not the case.
> 
> When I boot my computer with an additional external HDD
> attached to the computer via USB, one of my ZFS mirror HDDs
> is not detected by the system and the corresponding zpool again
> appears to be degraded until I restart my computer in the usual
> setup, that is, without any additional HDD attached to it.
> 
> I have looked into my /dev/disk/by-id/ directory and found out
> that this happens because one of these ZFS mirror HDDs
> does not appear in this directory at all!

When USB drives are plugged in, or the system boots with a USB drive already 
plugged in, they may not be detected in the same order against other connected 
drives and their logical device name can change e.g. from /dev/sdb to /dev/
sdc.

However, this will not stop a HDD from being detected.  Its logical name may 
change, but the disk by-id and wwn will not.


> The situation remained the same even after swapping the
> undetected 500GB WD HDD with the one.
> 
> So, I wonder if it is a fault of
> 1) refurbished WD HDDs

Run smartctl tests to see what they detect.  Any error reported indicates a 
hardware problem.


> 2) my almost 20 years old Ultra-Durable Gigabyte motherboard

Try a different SATA port and cable from what you've been using so far to 
connect the second hard drive.  Either may be faulty.


> 3) the Linux system itself.

Highly unlikely, but booting with a liveUSB will soon confirm this.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-31 11:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-30 16:55 [gentoo-user] Problem with detecting ZFS HDD gevisz
2025-01-30 17:03 ` [gentoo-user] " gevisz
2025-01-30 21:08 ` [gentoo-user] " Grant Taylor
2025-01-30 22:58   ` gevisz
2025-01-31  0:13     ` Grant Taylor
2025-01-31 11:24 ` Michael [this message]
2025-02-01  0:13   ` gevisz
2025-02-16 16:50     ` Wols Lists
2025-03-02 21:58       ` gevisz
2025-03-03  9:55         ` Michael

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